We’re kicking off season 3 with THE GIGI Rowe!

Season 3, episode 51

About Gigi Rowe

The multi-faceted Gigi Rowe was called “fantastically talented” by the one-and-only Jay Z. The singer, songwriter, children’s book author and children’s podcast creator was formerly signed to Island Def Jam Records by the legendary LA Reid. Gigi was the first-ever recipient of the Songwriter Hall of Fame Buddy Holly Prize (from Songmasters) and she has had songs featured on the globally-adored interactive video game Just Dance.

Gigi is the voice of summer TV on Netflix and Amazon, with two songs prominently featured on Amazon’s new Prime Video dating series The One That Got Away, that premiered in late June and Netflix series Boo, Bitch, which premiered in early July. Gigi Rowe’s debut album Laura is out September 30.

In this episode Gigi shares her experience being signed to Island Def Jam records, only to be dropped before she could pop. We bond over a love of wigs. She goes into great depth about her collaboration with Tik Tokker Claybaby

Here’s what you’ll find in this episode:

01:36 Gigi Rowe shares her story

08:24 We move into my interview of Gigi Rowe

11:40 Some indulgent bonding time over a couple of wigs

21:34 Lonely Together

23:17 The wig comes off…

23:48 Gigi talks about collaborating with TikTok star Claybaby

40:49 How Laura Warshauer came to know and understand Gigi Rowe

43:05 All about Gigi’s latest album Laura

45:12 The story of a magical recording moment on a farm in New Jersey

48:15 Gigi’s thoughts on change, personal evolution and shifting how you think about things

54:33 A few closing thoughts from the host

Helpful links

Want to connect with Gigi Rowe?

Gigi’s Website

@hellogigirowe on Twitter

@hellogigirowe on Instagram

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Transcript
Gigi Rowe:

And it happened and it feels like the end of the movie finale

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scene where you're like, like all the dreams come true suddenly overnight.

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It's like you have a record deal with the coolest record company in the world.

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And for a number of reasons, it just crashed and burned it.

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Every level that you could imagine

Aden Nepom:

today, I have the privilege of bringing you a guest who is called

Aden Nepom:

fantastically talented by the one and only Jay-Z the singer songwriter

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children's book, author, and children's podcast creator was formally signed.

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The island Def Jam records by the legendary LA Reid was the first ever

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recipient of the songwriter hall of fame, Buddy Holly prize from Songmasters, and

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she's had songs featured on the globally adored interactive video game, just dance.

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She is the voice of summer TV, Netflix, Amazon with two songs prominently featured

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on Amazon's new prime video dating series.

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The one that got away, that premiered in late June; and Netflix series, Boo

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Bitch, which premiered in early July.

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Her debut album, Laura is out now.

Aden Nepom:

My guest is the Gigi Rowe.

Aden Nepom:

I'm Aden Nepom.

Aden Nepom:

And this is The Changed Podcast.

Aden Nepom:

Gigi.

Aden Nepom:

Hello.

Aden Nepom:

I'm excited that you're here.

Aden Nepom:

I'm excited to meet you and you look amazing.

Gigi Rowe:

Hi Aden.

Gigi Rowe:

Thank you so much.

Gigi Rowe:

I am thrilled to meet you and just can't wait for our conversation.

Aden Nepom:

What are your thoughts about fate?

Gigi Rowe:

Ooh, I really am a great believer that what's meant

Gigi Rowe:

to be is mm-hmm and I think the more I lean into that every single

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day, the more magical my life is.

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And sometimes you, you have moments where it's hard to believe in fate

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and in destiny, and that there really are no accidents and everyth.

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Interwoven into this like beautiful collage that is your life.

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And some moments yeah.

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Are easier to celebrate than others.

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And some moments really challenge you.

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But I think that we do get those experiences where you can

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look back and be like, oh, I, I understand why that happened.

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Or that made sense.

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It's really fun when the universe is like, Hey girl, we got you and put something

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or someone in your path that feels very.

Aden Nepom:

I love that.

Aden Nepom:

So then listening to you talk about the universe, putting things in your path.

Aden Nepom:

Do you also think that we have some sort of like you hear people talk about

Aden Nepom:

manifesting what they want or creating their future or, um, changing who they

Aden Nepom:

are, where does that fall within the realm of the universe's path for you?

Gigi Rowe:

I, I feel like.

Gigi Rowe:

Like working with the universe.

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Like, I, I really believe in fate and destiny, but at the same

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time, I feel like we do have the ability to get in our own way.

Gigi Rowe:

Mm-hmm and I think like the universe is busy, so our job is to.

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Help the universe help you.

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The more that you are in alignment, the more that you are clear on

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who you are on what you want and what, and the relationship you have

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with yourself and the universe.

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Mm-hmm , I think the more likely it is that you're going to live out that

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fate and that destiny that is meant for you, that is written in the stars.

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But I think there are moments where.

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You can get knocked off your path and it can be tough to, to get, get back on.

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I'm thinking of the yellow brick road right now, get back on the

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road that you're meant to be on.

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And in some ways, as I'm talking, I feel like there's a friction or a

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contradiction between what I'm saying now and what I said before of yep.

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Fate and destiny.

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But I do think that.

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It's a relationship between yourself and the universe and constantly being

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mindful of that, that enables this whole kind of magical thing called life.

Aden Nepom:

You're in a magical moment.

Aden Nepom:

We're gonna talk about that in just a little bit, but before we get there,

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speaking of life and the journey and destiny and all of these things before

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we get there, I felt like we have some things in common and I just, I felt

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like it would be a missed opportunity for me if we didn't bond over.

Gigi Rowe:

I'm so ready.

Gigi Rowe:

okay.

Gigi Rowe:

I think what you're gonna talk about.

Gigi Rowe:

Okay.

Aden Nepom:

yeah.

Aden Nepom:

I wanna talk about wigs.

Aden Nepom:

I really wanna talk about wigs.

Aden Nepom:

So something that I think is really will probably be surprising to some of my

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audience is because I have, this is my hair and I get a lot of questions about

Gigi Rowe:

you have awesome hair by the way.

Aden Nepom:

Thank you so much.

Aden Nepom:

Uh, and I make my own hair products and I, for me, and I don't share them with

Aden Nepom:

anybody, I just make 'em in my kitchen.

Aden Nepom:

For me but, and I'm happy to share recipes with people feel free to

Aden Nepom:

email me at podcast@artofchange.com.

Aden Nepom:

But I also have this like deep and abiding love of wigs as a person

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from a performance background.

Aden Nepom:

And so the first music video of yours that I ever saw.

Aden Nepom:

Was lollipops.

Aden Nepom:

And you've got a few wigs that you wear in that video.

Gigi Rowe:

Lollipops...

Gigi Rowe:

Gimme every color.

Gigi Rowe:

Every color of the rainbow?

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I crave the sugar.

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You are my sugar.

Aden Nepom:

And so I was like, I wanna, I wanna play a little bit of "I'll show.

Aden Nepom:

I'll show you mine.

Aden Nepom:

If you show me yours," that sounds terrible.

Aden Nepom:

But I'm talking about wigs

Gigi Rowe:

we are having a wig moment.

Gigi Rowe:

Oh my gosh.

Gigi Rowe:

That's so funny.

Gigi Rowe:

I.

Gigi Rowe:

Two bags of wigs, actually, they're currently in my car

Gigi Rowe:

cause I'm road tripping today.

Gigi Rowe:

Oh my gosh.

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But um, today I knowing having.

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Heard that maybe you love wigs.

Gigi Rowe:

I was like, oh, we're definitely gonna rock a wig moment.

Gigi Rowe:

And that's why I'm feeling this lavender bob.

Gigi Rowe:

That's a little darker purple on the top at the roots.

Gigi Rowe:

And then it like comes out.

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It almost has the silver sheen to it.

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So it's super fun.

Gigi Rowe:

I love the Bob style in general.

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I have a friend that creates wigs for Broadway shows.

Gigi Rowe:

So she will custom make them and dye them.

Gigi Rowe:

And we, the collaboration is, oh my God, that's fun.

Gigi Rowe:

As you can imagine,

Aden Nepom:

I'm so very jealous because I'm gonna, I'm

Aden Nepom:

gonna show you my first wig.

Aden Nepom:

I'm gonna show it to you right now.

Aden Nepom:

I'm also gonna do something that I've never done before.

Aden Nepom:

And I'm gonna show you my hand.

Aden Nepom:

I'm gonna show you my handmade wig cap and make my own wig caps.

Aden Nepom:

And.

Aden Nepom:

I'm gonna put it on and my audience is gonna see that when you have thick hair,

Aden Nepom:

this is how you make it all disappear.

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So you can wear like a kitten wig or whatever they call it.

Aden Nepom:

Those little like tiny, short wigs.

Aden Nepom:

All right.

Aden Nepom:

Are we ready?

Aden Nepom:

Here we go.

Gigi Rowe:

Wow.

Aden Nepom:

This is what I

Gigi Rowe:

amazing.

Gigi Rowe:

Hey, you look like, look at your beautiful face.

Gigi Rowe:

It's amazing.

Gigi Rowe:

When you put a wig cap on it, you can like you just totally the transformation.

Gigi Rowe:

It's very real.

Aden Nepom:

This reminds me deeply of Harold and mod.

Aden Nepom:

One of my favorite movies, which is from the seventies and the like eccentric,

Aden Nepom:

rich mother wears wigs all the time.

Aden Nepom:

So they, you see her in the dressing room with her.

Aden Nepom:

Wig half on.

Aden Nepom:

Um, alright, I'm gonna show you my very first wig.

Aden Nepom:

Yay.

Aden Nepom:

This is from a show that I was in called Start Trekkin', an improv

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show where we played a crew of a complimentary ship in the Star Trek

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universe with all made up characters.

Aden Nepom:

And this wig inspired me.

Aden Nepom:

It reminded me of Yeoman Rand.

Gigi Rowe:

Oh my gosh.

Gigi Rowe:

This is so fun.

Aden Nepom:

Uh, and then later I used the same wig.

Aden Nepom:

To play a, a sixties house wife.

Gigi Rowe:

That's incredible.

Gigi Rowe:

Where was the show?

Aden Nepom:

This was in Austin, Texas at the hideout theater.

Gigi Rowe:

It's interesting to me how different wigs come to life?

Gigi Rowe:

Yes.

Gigi Rowe:

In different moments.

Aden Nepom:

Absolutely.

Gigi Rowe:

And some days you're like really feeling it, or at

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least for me, like some days I put them on and I'm like, oh my gosh.

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I remember this moment when I wore this, I put it on.

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That moment anymore.

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Yeah.

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Like this is not working or, and then you put something else on that's unexpected

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and then it really comes to life in a way that you didn't even see it coming.

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And that's part of, that's part of the fun.

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It's really enhances.

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I think creativity.

Gigi Rowe:

Yeah, totally.

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Which.

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I love about it.

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That's so much fun on you.

Gigi Rowe:

I wanna see another one.

Aden Nepom:

Okay.

Aden Nepom:

You said you have two bags of wig.

Aden Nepom:

I have a box of wigs and actually my husband's an actor too.

Aden Nepom:

And when we first got together, I was like, so here's my box of wigs.

Aden Nepom:

And he was like, oh, here's my box of wigs.

Aden Nepom:

and,

Gigi Rowe:

and you were like, we're getting married.

Aden Nepom:

Yeah.

Aden Nepom:

It was like, Ugh.

Aden Nepom:

Meant to be our I'm literally, our studio is actually embedded in our

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costume closet, which is a thing.

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And we only use these things for shows.

Aden Nepom:

Like we just.

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We're performers.

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That's what we use them for.

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But, so I have a friend who knew about my collection of wigs.

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I wore this in the Rocky horror show.

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And so she started so fun sending me wigs as gifts.

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She was like, you're into these and I'll never wear them.

Aden Nepom:

So some of them are, this is a long, fabulous rainbow way, but

Aden Nepom:

because of your blazer, I was like, I think the dusty pink is an.

Gigi Rowe:

That's what I love dusty pink.

Gigi Rowe:

That is what the color is.

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I was trying to come up with what it was and I was like, is it a vintage pink?

Gigi Rowe:

Is it like a bubble gum pink, but dusty pink.

Gigi Rowe:

That is my favorite way to describe what this color is.

Aden Nepom:

So I've never worn this wig before.

Aden Nepom:

Looks like we've got a little bit of an a-line, Bob, maybe with a side swept bang

Aden Nepom:

this is cool.

Aden Nepom:

So we're gonna, we're gonna experience this together.

Aden Nepom:

And then yay.

Aden Nepom:

Maybe I'll wear this for the interview.

Aden Nepom:

Maybe I'll just leave it on

Gigi Rowe:

I'm fan.

Gigi Rowe:

Oh my gosh.

Gigi Rowe:

I love it.

Gigi Rowe:

Yes, that is that that style looks so good on you.

Aden Nepom:

So shout out to Margery, the former co-host of mine for

Aden Nepom:

The Positive Thinpact my first podcast, um, for this amazing gift.

Aden Nepom:

And I'm loving it with these.

Aden Nepom:

Thanks.

Gigi Rowe:

That looks incredible on you.

Aden Nepom:

I'm like a totally different person.

Aden Nepom:

I don't even look like that housewife

Aden Nepom:

anymore.

Aden Nepom:

oh,

Gigi Rowe:

who

Gigi Rowe:

? Aden Nepom: Yeah, we're just, all right.

Gigi Rowe:

I'm gonna leave this on for a little while.

Gigi Rowe:

We'll see.

Gigi Rowe:

We'll see what happens, but, um, thank you.

Gigi Rowe:

I love it.

Gigi Rowe:

We're now we're so coordinated now we're coordinated

Aden Nepom:

and I feel like we've bonded

Gigi Rowe:

oh, we've totally bonded.

Gigi Rowe:

Oh my gosh.

Aden Nepom:

Do you remember your first wig?

Aden Nepom:

What did it look like?

Gigi Rowe:

I did an epic photo shoot in Las Vegas.

Gigi Rowe:

Mm-hmm and I got to wear all these wigs and I transformed into these different

Gigi Rowe:

characters for a music video shoot.

Gigi Rowe:

And it was after that, where I was really inspired to pull.

Gigi Rowe:

Wigs and like performance pieces yeah.

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Into everyday life and try that.

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And finally be like, I'm Gigi Rowe.

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And I was changing outfits so many times a day and wearing six inch heels

Gigi Rowe:

and glitter and finding myself at the wig shop all the time on Ventura

Gigi Rowe:

Boulevard in the valley in Los Angeles.

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So there was, there were a couple, there were so many different

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wigs that I wore at that shoot.

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And then.

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Fast forward to a music video.

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My first music video as Gigi Rowe, and I'm thinking about a blue Bob style wig

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that I would really consider to be like my first wig as Gigi Rowe, because that was

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a centerpiece of this music video shoot that I did for run the night, which was a

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song that was on the just dance video game and this sort of introduced Gigi Rowe.

Gigi Rowe:

Into the earthly world.

Gigi Rowe:

Yeah.

Gigi Rowe:

And this was the first time I collaborated with my friend who has made a lot of wigs.

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So I got to go to her, the studio where she works in Manhattan,

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in the theater district.

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And it was a whole experience and getting to collaborate with her

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and it's blue and then there's hints of like pink underneath.

Gigi Rowe:

Oh, cool.

Gigi Rowe:

And the cut.

Gigi Rowe:

And that was so I feel like that was really a moment.

Gigi Rowe:

That's awesome.

Gigi Rowe:

Uh, I,

Gigi Rowe:

I love that and it just sounds.

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Fun.

Gigi Rowe:

It sounds just like a tremendously exciting

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moment.

Gigi Rowe:

Yes.

Gigi Rowe:

I love that.

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You say that because I feel like that's what I love to impart to people, to

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fans that I connect with of all ages.

Gigi Rowe:

I'm really appreciative.

Gigi Rowe:

It's taken me a minute to appreciate this, but my creativity takes

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me on so many different paths.

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And I think just owning that and knowing that it's all authentically me.

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And it's okay to write a kid's book and do a kid's podcast and then do music that

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just like really speaks to me and would talk to my contemporaries and perform in

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so many different kinds of environments.

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But through that, I love to say that my world is for ages

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three to 300 and it truly is.

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And I think that I love that sense of that spirit.

Gigi Rowe:

Mm-hmm . That something in my world or about me or my personality or the wigs

Gigi Rowe:

or the fashion or the music, whether it's emo or dance or pop can impart some

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sort of, Ooh, like spark, inspiration.

Gigi Rowe:

Hope I, I can live out my dreams too.

Gigi Rowe:

And when you just said, oh, it sounds like fun.

Gigi Rowe:

I'm like, yes, exactly.

Gigi Rowe:

That's like how you want people.

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Leave the Gigi Rowe world, or leave an interaction with me being like that

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was just like so much, that was fun.

Gigi Rowe:

We need more fun in our lives in the world.

Gigi Rowe:

And that doesn't have to mean that the music all has to be like upbeat and up

Gigi Rowe:

tempo mm-hmm and playful and whimsical.

Gigi Rowe:

You can still like make people cry through your music or give them music

Gigi Rowe:

to keep them company in the downtime or the moments that where you just

Gigi Rowe:

need to turn to something for comfort.

Gigi Rowe:

But by fun, I think it's like, there's something fresh.

Gigi Rowe:

There's something inspiring.

Gigi Rowe:

There's the possibilities and that idea, like anything can happen.

Aden Nepom:

Well, let's talk,

Aden Nepom:

let's talk a little bit about something you just said, which is that having fun

Aden Nepom:

and being driven by fun and whatever pursuing the challenge of it all does not

Aden Nepom:

mean that it's necessarily, everything is upbeat and happy all the time.

Aden Nepom:

You just really track a little bit ago.

Aden Nepom:

Uh, lonely together.

Gigi Rowe:

I come from.

Gigi Rowe:

More like serious singer songwriter.

Gigi Rowe:

Yeah.

Gigi Rowe:

Like making people cry or I'm gonna sit here and I'm gonna sing you a song.

Gigi Rowe:

That's I'm gonna change your life right now.

Gigi Rowe:

That's the, that's where I come from.

Gigi Rowe:

And over time have found my way to super fun.

Gigi Rowe:

Dancing music, performing at Miami beach, Cape pride.

Gigi Rowe:

Bringing out these other sides of me and wondering if one, like the

Gigi Rowe:

value of one versus the other.

Gigi Rowe:

Yeah.

Gigi Rowe:

And having to come to a realization of the value of that, you can do whatever you

Gigi Rowe:

want, that you can wear whatever you want and make whatever kind of music you want.

Gigi Rowe:

And you can be serious, but have a really colorful outfit on, or

Gigi Rowe:

yeah, you can be like really.

Gigi Rowe:

Emo and like be super bubbly.

Gigi Rowe:

And sometimes that makes it even more interesting when

Gigi Rowe:

it creates even more mystery

Aden Nepom:

oh, I love that perspective.

Aden Nepom:

I

Aden Nepom:

am going to take off this week though.

Aden Nepom:

I can feel my hair is like freshly washed and is stop smashing

Aden Nepom:

me.

Gigi Rowe:

It is so perfect coming out of the wig.

Aden Nepom:

Well, I only had the wig cap on for 10 minutes.

Gigi Rowe:

That's not even okay.

Gigi Rowe:

That's not even fair right now.

Aden Nepom:

I'll tell you.

Aden Nepom:

The hair gel that I use to hold my curls is just incredible.

Aden Nepom:

And it's just a recipe I caught off of the watching YouTube.

Aden Nepom:

I was like, I wanna make my own stuff and have less chemicals in my system.

Aden Nepom:

Surely someone on YouTube figured this out already.

Aden Nepom:

And you know what they did.

Aden Nepom:

They, a lot of people had already figured it out.

Aden Nepom:

Uh,

Gigi Rowe:

yeah, YouTube!.

Aden Nepom:

So you're in Arkansas or on your way to Arkansas, where.

Aden Nepom:

You recently were for a collaboration with TikTokker Claybaby on the track.

Aden Nepom:

So iconic.

Aden Nepom:

Yeah.

Aden Nepom:

Which by the way is actually one of my favorite songs right now.

Aden Nepom:

I just think it's so good.

Aden Nepom:

I just think it's so good.

Aden Nepom:

You're going back.

Aden Nepom:

Is it for the same reason?

Aden Nepom:

Are you doing another collaboration?

Aden Nepom:

What's the story there?

Gigi Rowe:

I am going back.

Gigi Rowe:

I'm so excited.

Gigi Rowe:

I'm road tripping in my little silver Mustang.

Gigi Rowe:

It's gonna be incredible.

Gigi Rowe:

We just have an incredible energy between us a friendship.

Gigi Rowe:

We're like two souls that were must have been connected in another life.

Gigi Rowe:

And I'm just so inspired by.

Gigi Rowe:

Getting to know Clay getting to work with him.

Gigi Rowe:

He's from the middle of nowhere, Texas.

Gigi Rowe:

He's a really inspiring story in that he, from where he comes from and built up

Gigi Rowe:

this fan base of over 6 million followers.

Gigi Rowe:

And I love that I come from such a different background, but

Gigi Rowe:

somehow we're very connected, are genuine fans of each other.

Gigi Rowe:

And we just seem to really understand.

Gigi Rowe:

How did you find each other?

Gigi Rowe:

How did that happen?

Gigi Rowe:

It's so funny through TikTok, I popped into a live stream of his, it

Gigi Rowe:

turned out he was a fan of Gigi Rowe music, and then was like," oh my gosh.

Gigi Rowe:

Like, I can't believe Gigi Rowe's in my live stream right now."

Gigi Rowe:

And then he was sharing my music with his fans and it was such a genuine

Gigi Rowe:

response to me and to my music that I was like, oh, this guy is so cool.

Gigi Rowe:

I just loved.

Gigi Rowe:

His personality.

Gigi Rowe:

He's got such a gift in how he connects with people.

Gigi Rowe:

I've created, as we mentioned, a podcast called Posey Flynn sings,

Gigi Rowe:

and I thought it would be incredible to have him voice a character.

Gigi Rowe:

So I was doing a live stream one day and he popped into the live stream

Gigi Rowe:

and I was like, I have this show, would you wanna be a character?

Gigi Rowe:

And he was just like, "yes, I would love to."

Gigi Rowe:

So that prompted us to get on our first phone call.

Gigi Rowe:

This was a couple months ago after knowing of each other.

Gigi Rowe:

Almost a year or something like that, where we were both

Gigi Rowe:

like, oh, there's a vibe there.

Gigi Rowe:

So we got on a call, wound up talking for hours.

Gigi Rowe:

I learned that his first love is music.

Gigi Rowe:

And I was like, oh, let's make records together.

Gigi Rowe:

Yes.

Gigi Rowe:

And we just started chatting and FaceTiming and throwing around

Gigi Rowe:

ideas and sending music back and forth and just shared our stories.

Gigi Rowe:

And.

Gigi Rowe:

It became really clear to me that we had to get together in person to make some

Gigi Rowe:

magic happen, to live stream together, to make TikTok videos and in a day and

Gigi Rowe:

age where it's less important to be with people physically in the same space.

Gigi Rowe:

What's so fun about our collaboration is it's essential.

Gigi Rowe:

It's the most incredible thing to watch.

Gigi Rowe:

He'll come up with an idea.

Gigi Rowe:

That's so funny.

Gigi Rowe:

He will have a physical.

Gigi Rowe:

To his own idea.

Gigi Rowe:

I've like never, I haven't seen anything.

Gigi Rowe:

Like it.

Gigi Rowe:

So it was so meaningful for me to connect with someone where he saw TikTok.

Gigi Rowe:

And he was like, oh my, oh, I like, I get it for me to step into that

Gigi Rowe:

world from where I come from, which is such a music industry background.

Gigi Rowe:

I was signed by LA Reid to island Def jam.

Gigi Rowe:

I was running around New York city and playing for any, and every

Gigi Rowe:

executive doing meetings, doing showcases and very much coming from.

Gigi Rowe:

The music industry constantly changing, but a bit of a, a different era of

Gigi Rowe:

where I come from or where I started.

Gigi Rowe:

Right.

Gigi Rowe:

Music industry, industry.

Aden Nepom:

That was when, when, how old were you when you were, or how

Aden Nepom:

many years ago were you signed to Def jam and went on that journey?

Gigi Rowe:

It was in.

Gigi Rowe:ke the end towards the end of:Gigi Rowe:It was the very end of:Gigi Rowe:

So I was a child prodigy actually right out of the womb.

Gigi Rowe:

I got my first record deal.

Gigi Rowe:

LA Reid was like, oh my God.

Gigi Rowe:

She's got the most incredible voice I've ever heard JayZ was

Gigi Rowe:

like, listen to this baby thing,

Aden Nepom:

singing before talking just like you do.

Gigi Rowe:

I mean that I actually was doing, but it was, it's

Gigi Rowe:

been an epic journey for me.

Gigi Rowe:

And.

Gigi Rowe:

So cool to feel you always, you wanna, you have to feel of the times, like

Gigi Rowe:

it's something that's different.

Gigi Rowe:

It's not even an age thing, cuz I truly believe like I, I say to

Gigi Rowe:

people I'm timeless and ageless.

Gigi Rowe:

What I really mean by that is as an artist, when you break,

Gigi Rowe:

when you come into the kind of.

Gigi Rowe:

When people have an awareness of who you are or connect with a song like

Gigi Rowe:

essentially once you break, you become timeless and ageless as an artist.

Gigi Rowe:

And before you break, you're not the right anything.

Gigi Rowe:

It's people are always looking to shoot holes in something.

Gigi Rowe:

And so I'm like, you know what, timeless and ageless, we're gonna roll with that.

Gigi Rowe:

And it really transcends an age.

Gigi Rowe:

It's.

Gigi Rowe:

How are you connecting with the times?

Gigi Rowe:

What's the social relevance?

Gigi Rowe:

Are you, is there something about you or what you're creating or

Gigi Rowe:

channeling that people want mm-hmm or that people can connect to?

Gigi Rowe:

And as, as an artist, I think you're always just looking for bridges.

Gigi Rowe:

If you're an artist and you wanna do it as a career, then yes.

Gigi Rowe:

You wanna be inspired by what you're doing.

Gigi Rowe:

That's why you do it.

Gigi Rowe:

I wrote songs cuz I was like, oh, this is my own language.

Gigi Rowe:

This is my own way of engaging with the world.

Gigi Rowe:

This makes me feel special.

Gigi Rowe:

This makes me feel like I have something to give.

Gigi Rowe:

And then at a certain point you're like, who am I really speaking to?

Gigi Rowe:

And so you're always just looking for those for the bridge to get

Gigi Rowe:

you and what you're doing to be able to connect with people.

Gigi Rowe:

So it's been incredibly inspiring and very fresh and very fun to.

Gigi Rowe:

Get the opportunity to collaborate so closely with Clay and for each of

Gigi Rowe:

us to open our worlds to each other.

Gigi Rowe:

We've just understood like early on in our conversations that our

Gigi Rowe:

experiences really compliment each other.

Gigi Rowe:

And there's a really.

Gigi Rowe:

A beautiful friendship, that kind of,

Aden Nepom:

there's a real beauty to collaboration like that.

Aden Nepom:

That's um, in my line of work, I help people collaborate with each

Aden Nepom:

other who often have different perspectives on something they're

Aden Nepom:

trying to solve for, since I'm working in the workplace on those things.

Aden Nepom:

And I'm always struck by how, how the differences are noticeable when a team

Aden Nepom:

has totally different experiences and backgrounds showing up to their ideation

Aden Nepom:

sessions, or when people are all from the same line of thinking and background

Aden Nepom:

and experiences, there's just something particularly magical when you take

Aden Nepom:

differences and smash them together, you learn from each other, but also you

Aden Nepom:

create something that's really balanced and interesting at the same time versus

Aden Nepom:

the echo chamber of, I like this.

Aden Nepom:

Me too.

Aden Nepom:

So let's make something that's just exactly like that.

Gigi Rowe:

I really like that.

Gigi Rowe:

That's cool.

Gigi Rowe:

How you talk about an echo chamber?

Gigi Rowe:

And I think that there is such a magic.

Gigi Rowe:

I totally agree.

Gigi Rowe:

And it feels like there's this scrappiness there for what I wanna do in the world

Gigi Rowe:

for my I'm a go bigger go home kind of money on the go big or go home.

Gigi Rowe:

Girl, and let's go connect with millions of people around the world.

Gigi Rowe:

And let's, I dunno, what's gonna happen.

Gigi Rowe:

Exactly.

Gigi Rowe:

Don't have the roadmap, but we're gonna figure it out.

Gigi Rowe:

Clay and I have the same mentality.

Gigi Rowe:

We just are just different people.

Gigi Rowe:

So when you put us together, there's this scrappiness that, that happens.

Gigi Rowe:

This.

Gigi Rowe:

The spontaneousness that let's try this and nobody else is doing what

Gigi Rowe:

we're doing, because we're such characters, both of us as individuals.

Gigi Rowe:

And that's why we can probably understand and relate to each other so much.

Gigi Rowe:

And we're just having so much fun.

Gigi Rowe:

And for sure, there have been moments where I'm like, am I crazy?

Gigi Rowe:

Am I one of those people that goes to Arkansas, the internet, but at the

Gigi Rowe:

same time, I'm like, no, there's just something there's something real here.

Gigi Rowe:

It just feels like we're like relate.

Gigi Rowe:

It's like family.

Gigi Rowe:

It.

Gigi Rowe:

Somehow we're connected.

Gigi Rowe:

So I think there's endless possibilities with what he and

Gigi Rowe:

I can do together creatively.

Gigi Rowe:

And it's like a friendship that we'll just keep developing, but again, that's

Gigi Rowe:

that fate and destiny that we, where we kind of started the conversation.

Aden Nepom:

So one of the things that I'm curious about is when you thing

Aden Nepom:

about the moments of your life, the, the different stories that you often tell to

Aden Nepom:

people about the journey you've been on from babyhood to now, is it easy or is it

Aden Nepom:

hard to identify a moment that you feel like was particularly filled with change

Aden Nepom:

or carried significant change to it is.

Aden Nepom:

How easy or hard is it to identify these moments?

Gigi Rowe:

The moment that always comes to mind is this experience

Gigi Rowe:

of getting my record deal.

Gigi Rowe:

But it's a very, there's a lot of friction for me in looking back on that moment.

Gigi Rowe:

because it felt like this great moment of change.

Gigi Rowe:

Th wow, this is it.

Gigi Rowe:

This is what I've worked so hard for.

Gigi Rowe:

And it happened, and it feels like the end of the movie finale scene where you're

Gigi Rowe:

like, like all the dreams come true.

Gigi Rowe:

And that suddenly overnight, it's like, you have a record deal with the

Gigi Rowe:

coolest record company in the world, and we're gonna pay a lot of money

Gigi Rowe:

to be an art, like all the things.

Gigi Rowe:

And some of my favorite artists, whether it's at the time, it.

Gigi Rowe:

Rihanna and the killers and Bonjovi and fallout boy.

Gigi Rowe:

And the list goes on Mariah Carey, like of the artists that

Gigi Rowe:

were associated with this label.

Gigi Rowe:

And then you suddenly feel like.

Gigi Rowe:

Wow change is happening.

Gigi Rowe:

And for a number of reasons, it just crashed and burned at every

Gigi Rowe:

level that you could imagine.

Gigi Rowe:

So that's why I say that there's friction, cuz I was like, I look

Gigi Rowe:

back on this as, this is like one of those moments, but then it wasn't.

Gigi Rowe:

So how, what the, uh, ripple effect of that for me over time

Gigi Rowe:

and how I've sort of analyzed it from every different perspective.

Gigi Rowe:

Also factors in, that's why it's like almost a little bittersweet for me to chat

Gigi Rowe:

about it, but the story itself is great.

Gigi Rowe:

And

Aden Nepom:

I'd love to hear that whole story.

Aden Nepom:

So like where were you in your life and career in that moment?

Aden Nepom:

How did they find you?

Aden Nepom:

What, how did you end up getting what

Aden Nepom:

happened?

Gigi Rowe:

Basically, I was just like living it of 24 7 in New York city

Gigi Rowe:

singer songwriter, performing, wherever I could perform found my way to Sony

Gigi Rowe:

music studios was in a writer's room.

Gigi Rowe:

Literally 24 7 would go in.

Gigi Rowe:

In daytime or in nighttime and walk out of the studio when it was the opposite.

Gigi Rowe:

Two days later and was in and out of sessions, there were a

Gigi Rowe:

lot of rap, hip hop sessions.

Gigi Rowe:

I was working with a producer and, uh, Mixer and engineer,

Gigi Rowe:

his name is Rich Keller.

Gigi Rowe:

He's someone that really believed in me in such a beautiful way and heard

Gigi Rowe:

me sing a song and was like, like that was sold was like kind of, oh,

Gigi Rowe:

you're coming with me and was helping me to, to not even find my voice.

Gigi Rowe:

He just had such a respect for me as an artist.

Gigi Rowe:

As a singer, as a songwriter and was created this sort of incredible space for

Gigi Rowe:

me to be me and was just very inspired and wanted to help and created opportunities

Gigi Rowe:

for me to sing in front of some of the biggest music executives in New York city.

Gigi Rowe:

And it, there was an unbelievable energy, as you can imagine, in

Gigi Rowe:

and out of the studio rehearsal spaces, performing in meetings

Gigi Rowe:

like running around with my guitar.

Gigi Rowe:

And then the, the week that I wound up getting offered a record deal, I was

Gigi Rowe:

gonna showcase for Columbia records or maybe a few other labels as well.

Gigi Rowe:

So I was rehearsing in this studio space in Manhattan and getting

Gigi Rowe:

all ready for this big showcase.

Gigi Rowe:

And then coincidentally, Rich had shared, had been sharing some of my

Gigi Rowe:

music whenever he could in sessions, where he was working on an artist.

Gigi Rowe:

And there was someone from the label there.

Gigi Rowe:

He.

Gigi Rowe:

Oh, like check, check out my girl, or like strategically play some of my music.

Gigi Rowe:

And so an AnR from island, Def Jam had, or Def Jam actually had really

Gigi Rowe:

responded to my voice and my song and said he wanted to play it for LA Reid but

Gigi Rowe:

that had like happened months earlier.

Gigi Rowe:

So kind of all the stars aligned in this moment and this

Gigi Rowe:

AnR his name is Shaliq Barry.

Gigi Rowe:

He wound up calling Rich like I woke up on a Sunday morning with, you know,

Gigi Rowe:

15 missed calls from Rich and I was like, what's, what's going on here?

Gigi Rowe:

And I stumble outta my apartment that I was living in.

Gigi Rowe:

I had a friend who actually had.

Gigi Rowe:

She's a fabulous hair stylist.

Gigi Rowe:

And she'd given me a haircut, a kitchen scissor haircut the night before, cuz she

Gigi Rowe:

didn't have her like scissors with her.

Gigi Rowe:

And I was like, oh my God.

Gigi Rowe:

Let's like do a fresh look.

Gigi Rowe:

So my friend and I were having the best time I was living on 40th and eighth, we

Gigi Rowe:

like, you know, Sunday morning, beautiful.

Gigi Rowe:

It was like October in New York city, which is just

Gigi Rowe:

like one of those glittering.

Gigi Rowe:

Bright sunny fall days.

Gigi Rowe:

And we were going to Starbucks.

Gigi Rowe:

Of course.

Gigi Rowe:

And then I saw I had 15 missed calls, so I called Rich and he

Gigi Rowe:

just sounded so elated and was, oh my gosh, like it's all happening.

Gigi Rowe:

Like your dreams are coming true.

Gigi Rowe:

And then he told me the story of how he'd gotten the call.

Gigi Rowe:

And Shaliq had played my music for LA Reid the night before.

Gigi Rowe:

And LA was like, where is she?

Gigi Rowe:

Wow.

Gigi Rowe:

I need to see her now.

Gigi Rowe:

So then he, it tells me that LA is gonna be coming to see me that night, Sunday

Gigi Rowe:

night in a rehearsal for a showcase that I was supposed to do later that week.

Gigi Rowe:

So then I'm on cloud nine.

Gigi Rowe:

You feel like you're just like walking on air.

Gigi Rowe:

And I felt prepared.

Gigi Rowe:

We had been, I rehearsing a seven song, like mini rock concert with a band.

Gigi Rowe:

It was really powerful, impactful, and it was just like re that

Gigi Rowe:

moment was everything and more.

Gigi Rowe:

And I think that no matter what's happened since, or the ch

Gigi Rowe:

many challenges that I've had.

Gigi Rowe:

And the feeling like I'm hit coming up against a, a brick wall.

Gigi Rowe:

I don't think anything can really take away from what that actual night was, cuz

Gigi Rowe:

LA came with Shaliq and with someone else from the label and just from start to

Gigi Rowe:

finish, it was that like this movie scene where you wouldn't have, it was perfect.

Gigi Rowe:

And.

Gigi Rowe:

Rich was doing sound.

Gigi Rowe:

And he was just like my, my, my real name, Gigi Rowe wasn't created at this point.

Gigi Rowe:

I hadn't even come up with the name Gigi Rowe.

Gigi Rowe:

And he was just like, Laura, the stage is yours.

Gigi Rowe:

So then I went into my set.

Gigi Rowe:

And it flowed and I could tell you could feel the energy.

Gigi Rowe:

It was like electric.

Gigi Rowe:

And I could feel that LA Reid was with me, like every note,

Gigi Rowe:

every second in the moment.

Gigi Rowe:

Right, right there.

Gigi Rowe:

And so that I was feeding off of that energy and his hands

Gigi Rowe:

were like in the air writing it.

Gigi Rowe:

And then the last song.

Gigi Rowe:

Myself and my guitar, my band left the stage and it was a song called fly away.

Gigi Rowe:

And there's this like massive high note that I hit at the end.

Gigi Rowe:

It's super intimate.

Gigi Rowe:

And then it gets like really powerful and I could just feel the magic of that note.

Gigi Rowe:

And then when I finished the song, he's just like, wow.

Gigi Rowe:

Wow, well, couldn't stop saying that.

Gigi Rowe:

And was like, just, oh my like, oh my God, like what just happened?

Gigi Rowe:

And then I was feeling the same way.

Gigi Rowe:

So I walked off stage and he's just, wow.

Gigi Rowe:

And he's from a, from a business standpoint, I don't

Gigi Rowe:

know what you're doing.

Gigi Rowe:

If you want it, you have a home of island records.

Gigi Rowe:

So that's like a moment.

Gigi Rowe:

Pretty amazing thing to happen.

Gigi Rowe:

It was a, that was a big moment.

Gigi Rowe:

And that's where it felt like it was a bit of a warped sense of change though,

Gigi Rowe:

because, and I think it's impacted me over time cuz you're like, oh my

Gigi Rowe:

God, like change can happen like that.

Gigi Rowe:

Like.

Gigi Rowe:

You work and work and yes, there are those lightning moments absolutely.

Gigi Rowe:

In life.

Gigi Rowe:

And I've had more of those over the years, but in that moment, you feel like the

Gigi Rowe:

door has just flung open and I'm like in an, in another world and for a number of

Gigi Rowe:

reasons like that, just didn't wind up.

Gigi Rowe:

That wasn't the moment.

Gigi Rowe:

It wasn't my time in that moment.

Gigi Rowe:

And what I've had to tell myself is that was just a really cool.

Gigi Rowe:

Stepping stone.

Gigi Rowe:

In retrospect, that was just a really cool part of the puzzle and part of the

Gigi Rowe:

journey and showed me that this is what I'm supposed to be doing with my life.

Gigi Rowe:

This is, that was, uh, an example of that.

Gigi Rowe:

And then there have been many others, which are like, Hey girl,

Gigi Rowe:

in case you're doubting yourself.

Gigi Rowe:

I'm like, Hey girl, that's how the universe talks.

Gigi Rowe:

Hey girl.

Gigi Rowe:

Um, like in.

Gigi Rowe:

When you're doubting yourself when you're questioning what,

Gigi Rowe:

you're, what you're here for.

Gigi Rowe:

Like you're in like life for here are Mo we're gonna give you

Gigi Rowe:

moments that are gonna show you that you're on the right path.

Gigi Rowe:

And every artist that I admire.

Gigi Rowe:

There's no roadmap.

Gigi Rowe:

You have to find, build your own story and figure that out along the way

Gigi Rowe:

and be open and trust your instincts.

Gigi Rowe:

And sometimes you just need to cry it out.

Gigi Rowe:

yeah.

Gigi Rowe:

How long was it?

Aden Nepom:

Um, how long was it that first opportunity fell?

Aden Nepom:

First, big opportunity fell apart.

Aden Nepom:I wound up being dropped in:Aden Nepom:

Wow.

Aden Nepom:

So it was a lengthy period of time and communication was a big issue.

Aden Nepom:

That my a and R was loved how he believed in me, but he was someone

Aden Nepom:

where he'd call you and be like, I'm on my way to the studio.

Aden Nepom:

And then like would never show up and then you'd call him and

Aden Nepom:

it would go right to voicemail.

Aden Nepom:

And then he would call you a month later and be like, oh, sorry.

Aden Nepom:

Like my apartment flooded my mom's in the hospital.

Aden Nepom:

And then the call would get cut off.

Aden Nepom:

And then.

Aden Nepom:

He call you a month later and I'm like, not even kidding.

Aden Nepom:

So if that's the person whose job it is to work your project

Aden Nepom:

through the building, that's rough.

Aden Nepom:

That's, that's problematic.

Aden Nepom:

And I was also singer songwriter from New Jersey that was brought in through

Aden Nepom:

Def Jam like my AnR worked for a Def Jam and some of the people that.

Aden Nepom:

Would've been helpful to really champion my project.

Aden Nepom:

We're on the island records and obviously they have their own projects

Aden Nepom:

and LA Reid is busy and he is the CEO.

Aden Nepom:

And it's, we're gonna put you in the next quarter, in the next quarter.

Aden Nepom:

And then suddenly time passes and a meeting with him gets canceled and then

Aden Nepom:

you're passed off to another executive.

Aden Nepom:

But was there a moment when, before it actually.

Aden Nepom:

Fully was a dissolved contract.

Aden Nepom:

Was there a moment when you were like, I think they're gonna drop me,

Gigi Rowe:

like the whole thing at the entire situation felt

Gigi Rowe:

flawed for a number of reasons.

Gigi Rowe:

It was like, From the start, it was a difficult situation.

Gigi Rowe:

And then I felt like I was making choices along the way that were not helping.

Gigi Rowe:

Now people have said to me, they were like, there's nothing you could have done.

Gigi Rowe:

This was just a tough, this was just a tough situation.

Gigi Rowe:

But I feel like at different times there's such an emphasis in life, on team

Gigi Rowe:

building in the entertainment industry.

Gigi Rowe:

Like you're as your team matters a.

Gigi Rowe:

and I felt that at that time, I wasn't able to empower myself with a team that

Gigi Rowe:

I felt great about, that I could really lean into that I could really put myself

Gigi Rowe:

in a situation where I could thrive.

Gigi Rowe:

And I'm sure in looking back, I wish that I could have been a little clearer.

Gigi Rowe:

Or trusted my own instincts, even more trusted myself, trusted the journey,

Gigi Rowe:

trusted my, whatever talent I had.

Gigi Rowe:

And I think some of what I've learned over time or to we all like marinate and

Gigi Rowe:

then we come out hopefully stronger, um, better version of ourselves.

Gigi Rowe:

Yeah.

Gigi Rowe:

And we all, I have insecurities and vulnerabilities, but.

Gigi Rowe:

To be able to take ownership of our lives.

Gigi Rowe:

Stand our ground, know who we are, know, understand the why.

Gigi Rowe:

And I think I inherently knew all those things, or we inherently know who we are

Gigi Rowe:

at a very fundamental level, but at more superficial levels you can get caught

Gigi Rowe:

up in, in things that don't matter.

Gigi Rowe:

You can be distracted by like shiny things over here.

Gigi Rowe:

When you need to stay centered and grounded, but I was also

Gigi Rowe:

swept up in the under toe as well.

Gigi Rowe:

That was the feeling of this situation.

Gigi Rowe:

But in retrospect, I was like, I was introduced to different managers

Gigi Rowe:

or like different doors open to me.

Gigi Rowe:

And it felt like I was jumping at the wrong times and then waiting at the wrong

Gigi Rowe:

times, jumping when I should have waited, waiting when I should have jumped in.

Gigi Rowe:

Give myself a better shot.

Gigi Rowe:

And then it's challenging.

Gigi Rowe:

Cuz you can then start to get a little momentum, but then you're

Gigi Rowe:

like, wait, this isn't right.

Gigi Rowe:

Either.

Gigi Rowe:

Hold on.

Gigi Rowe:

What am I doing?

Gigi Rowe:

Or I don't believe in this now.

Gigi Rowe:

And honestly that's all as Bruce Springsteen said about something.

Gigi Rowe:

If it doesn't, you know, drive you insane, it'll make you great.

Gigi Rowe:

The friction, the contradiction, the, I, I love this.

Gigi Rowe:

I hate this.

Gigi Rowe:

I I'm this I'm that.

Gigi Rowe:

This is like the end of the world.

Gigi Rowe:

The like

Aden Nepom:

life is a dance is another expression.

Aden Nepom:

And I think describes that moment, particularly of like when to move,

Aden Nepom:

when to pause, um, which direction to move in life really is a dance.

Aden Nepom:

And it sounds like at the time, and maybe this is what people mean when they say.

Aden Nepom:

You know, you did everything you could, this was out of your hands.

Aden Nepom:

You're just dancing to the best of your ability in the moment with

Aden Nepom:

the dance moves that you know, and with any kind of dancing, the more

Aden Nepom:

you do it, the more you learn.

Aden Nepom:

So I'm curious you're you are literally changed now.

Aden Nepom:

Gigi Rowe is, is like persona a character, like a dynamo.

Aden Nepom:

Right?

Aden Nepom:

How connected is Gigi Rowe to that period of your life or

Aden Nepom:

disconnected or different or same?

Gigi Rowe:

I think I love that.

Gigi Rowe:

Yes.

Gigi Rowe:

Gigi.

Gigi Rowe:

We love her.

Gigi Rowe:

I feel like I wanna be a fan of Gigi Rowe.

Gigi Rowe:

I wanna be in the front row cheering Gigi Rowe on, and also it's as

Gigi Rowe:

she's aspirational for me, I get to be on stage and also, wow.

Gigi Rowe:

That's Gigi Rowe.

Gigi Rowe:

And that's what I wanted.

Gigi Rowe:

I think that at a certain point I'm like, there's something more.

Gigi Rowe:

I want a world that I can throw all of my creativity in and all of my

Gigi Rowe:

interests and all of my passions.

Gigi Rowe:

And I love.

Gigi Rowe:

Being Laura war hour, a singer songwriter from New Jersey, really

Gigi Rowe:

proud of who I am, where I come from.

Gigi Rowe:

My family, my story at different times have wondered if I turned my back on

Gigi Rowe:

her, not to talk about myself in the third person, but I think there's

Gigi Rowe:

like a fine line between art and armor and at different different moments.

Gigi Rowe:

Gigi Rowe has been both for.

Gigi Rowe:

This like protector of lo of right.

Gigi Rowe:

Laura's protector.

Gigi Rowe:

Hold on.

Gigi Rowe:

No, one's gonna mess with me anymore.

Gigi Rowe:

After feeling like su super vulnerable as, as just like myself or like you start

Gigi Rowe:

writing songs cuz you're like, oh my gosh, I like have no nowhere else to say this.

Gigi Rowe:

I'm gonna write a song about it.

Gigi Rowe:

And so that obviously is a very vulnerable thing.

Gigi Rowe:

And then.

Gigi Rowe:

Feel crushed.

Gigi Rowe:

You're like, I'm gonna, like, I'm not gonna feel that way again.

Gigi Rowe:

So I'm gonna create Gigi Rowe.

Gigi Rowe:

So that's the armor part.

Gigi Rowe:

But at the same time, I feel like Gigi Rowe was always

Gigi Rowe:

meant to evolve into Gigi Rowe.

Gigi Rowe:

And this was, there's something very real about her.

Gigi Rowe:

There's something real about this world.

Gigi Rowe:

There's something that I'm meant to.

Gigi Rowe:

Say through Gigi Rowe and that's become clear over time.

Gigi Rowe:

And it's been a constant process of who and what is Gigi Rowe . And at some

Gigi Rowe:

moments that's clearer to me than others.

Gigi Rowe:

And I think more than anything.

Gigi Rowe:

it's like Gigi Rowe is a blank canvas for me every day to finger

Gigi Rowe:

paint on however I want to.

Gigi Rowe:

And that's sort of the, I love the

Gigi Rowe:

visual.

Aden Nepom:

That's such a specific level of imagery.

Aden Nepom:

And to me it's really nice because you do so much, um, across the gambit

Aden Nepom:

from children's content, which really is like finger painting, right?

Aden Nepom:

To this like high fashion, fun, playful club-experience uh, and pride and all

Aden Nepom:

of that to, to your newest album, Laura, which actually has a lot of depth to it.

Aden Nepom:

Do you wanna talk a little bit about your latest album?

Gigi Rowe:

Sure.

Gigi Rowe:

I would love to.

Gigi Rowe:

It's a really exciting time to be able to put out this body

Gigi Rowe:

of work and to call it Laura.

Gigi Rowe:

And it felt right.

Gigi Rowe:

Cause as I've been trying to figure out, right, who is Gigi

Gigi Rowe:

Rowe and who is Laura and there's only kind of so far you can run.

Gigi Rowe:

I think you, we all spend a lifetime kind of simultaneously running towards

Gigi Rowe:

something and running from something.

Gigi Rowe:

And this album is a collection of songs that.

Gigi Rowe:

The years, it's been 10 years in the making, not like a solid 10

Gigi Rowe:

years of recording, but it's really based around a collaboration with a

Gigi Rowe:

producer that I love working with.

Gigi Rowe:

His name is PJ Bianco.

Gigi Rowe:

And we started with this song called running from the grave, which

Gigi Rowe:

happened in Los Angeles, like that was recorded about 10 years ago.

Gigi Rowe:

It's just come out.

Gigi Rowe:

Running from the grave (music)

Gigi Rowe:

That was a game changing experience for me, making a record, collaborating

Gigi Rowe:

with PJ, the way that I described the connection I have with Claybaby.

Gigi Rowe:

PJ and I have that like cosmic connection and we joke, we were like brother and

Gigi Rowe:

sister in another life or something.

Gigi Rowe:

And there's, I just love when you step into a room with someone you're like,

Gigi Rowe:

I don't know it's about to happen.

Gigi Rowe:

But I know it's gonna be amazing, whatever it is.

Gigi Rowe:

We got the chance to work together last summer on a

Gigi Rowe:

hundred acre farm in New Jersey.

Gigi Rowe:

We, we both happen to be from New Jersey, even though we connected in California.

Gigi Rowe:

And it was just like the most magical moment of, and Mo a moment that I

Gigi Rowe:

never knew I'd get in this lifetime.

Gigi Rowe:

It's this old school recording process of you arrive at the studio.

Gigi Rowe:

You don't know what to you, the, the unknown, the willingness to

Gigi Rowe:

dive in the deep end together.

Gigi Rowe:

Night we'll we're we'll work through the night.

Gigi Rowe:

The sunsets on the farm walks around the farm, seeing horses like

Gigi Rowe:

stroll by the studio that kind of.

Gigi Rowe:

Full on immersion where you're really gonna get to the good stuff

Gigi Rowe:

and you work until you can anymore.

Gigi Rowe:

And then you wake up the next day and you cut vocals and I'll curl up on the floor.

Gigi Rowe:

Or I'm like moving around the studio or trying the handheld

Gigi Rowe:

mic or up at the studio mic.

Gigi Rowe:

Or let's try this, let's try that what's working.

Gigi Rowe:

And there's nothing like getting to work with him.

Gigi Rowe:

Cutting vocals.

Gigi Rowe:

It's like being with a great director on set, cause like, Reactiveness in the

Gigi Rowe:

moment of, oh, try this, try that sound.

Gigi Rowe:

Um, okay.

Gigi Rowe:

If you were British, how would you say that?

Gigi Rowe:

I'll make that cooler?

Gigi Rowe:

Okay.

Gigi Rowe:

I don't wanna understand what you're saying there, what Cindy Loper do

Gigi Rowe:

here and that's happening so quickly.

Gigi Rowe:

And then you get these like magical vocals and those moments

Gigi Rowe:

where for lonely together, you were chatting about that song.

Gigi Rowe:

That was.

Gigi Rowe:

and instance where kind of took a minute to settle into those vocals.

Gigi Rowe:

And then I sat on the floor with handheld Mike and then just was in

Gigi Rowe:

the zone and we could both feel it

Gigi Rowe:

And I was like, oh, and this is the record.

Gigi Rowe:

And then the state at the studio all night until the sun starts to come up.

Gigi Rowe:

Wow.

Gigi Rowe:

It was this magical summer.

Gigi Rowe:

I was in New Jersey, staying there with family and we.

Gigi Rowe:

Bottled lightning and it was cool.

Gigi Rowe:

And I feel like the, the records are something that, that stand up and are

Aden Nepom:

listeners of this show will of course be able to find the link to

Aden Nepom:

have access to your lightning in a bottle.

Aden Nepom:

In the show notes, which is absolutely available now.

Aden Nepom:

Thank you for sharing all of those thoughts and stories.

Aden Nepom:

Like I it's really cool to hear the artist journey.

Aden Nepom:

I think so often people wanna talk about their successes and this, and

Aden Nepom:

this story that you shared about being signed is a success story, but

Aden Nepom:

it's not a success story full stop.

Aden Nepom:

It has all of these complicated, real life realities that are

Aden Nepom:

stirred into that cocktail.

Aden Nepom:

So I just wanna say thank you for sharing all of that.

Aden Nepom:

The question that I have for you is when you think about change

Aden Nepom:

in general, like life changing moments or going through changes.

Aden Nepom:

What are your, how, how do you connect with that word?

Aden Nepom:

Is that a meaningful word to you?

Aden Nepom:

Or is it a, like a kind of a hollow word?

Gigi Rowe:

It's a big word.

Gigi Rowe:

I, when I sometimes with change, the word evolution comes up.

Gigi Rowe:

Mm-hmm in my mind.

Gigi Rowe:

Because I think about people and I, I feel like people, we are who we are, and

Gigi Rowe:

I feel like fundamentally mm-hmm, people evolve more than they actually change.

Gigi Rowe:

If that makes sense.

Gigi Rowe:

And I think the openness, I think it's real.

Gigi Rowe:

I think the openness is the most important thing to be open to our

Gigi Rowe:

ideas, our inspirations, what motivates us on a daily basis, what our, where.

Gigi Rowe:

Headed in the big picture, what are morning coffee like that, those, all the

Gigi Rowe:

little moments and then the big moments.

Gigi Rowe:

And I think that.

Gigi Rowe:

We give ourselves the opportunity to evolve.

Aden Nepom:

I resonate with that answer.

Aden Nepom:

I, something I've been thinking a, a lot about lately, um, in terms

Aden Nepom:

of change, in terms of personal evolution is, um, about these moments.

Aden Nepom:

When someone, I know I've experienced a couple of these myself changes.

Aden Nepom:

Strongly held belief about something, whether it's themselves, whether

Aden Nepom:

it's about a, a group of people about how the world works about religion

Aden Nepom:

or politics, whatever, I'm really fascinated by that particular evolution.

Aden Nepom:

And I'm curious if you have a, any thoughts about like, what

Aden Nepom:

do you think changes people's.

Aden Nepom:

Minds, what does it take to change a mind?

Gigi Rowe:

Actually?

Gigi Rowe:

You know, it's what it's really interesting.

Gigi Rowe:

What just popped in my mind.

Gigi Rowe:

I've gotten the opportunity now with Claybaby, and a lot of Clay's friends and

Gigi Rowe:

just through many experiences getting, and I have so many friends who are part

Gigi Rowe:

of the L G LGBTQ plus community, and I'm absolutely an ally of that community.

Gigi Rowe:

And.

Gigi Rowe:

Love.

Gigi Rowe:

I've very organically gotten to hear so many stories recently about relationships

Gigi Rowe:

with family members, with friends, the what it's like to come out, what

Gigi Rowe:

it's like to be your authentic self.

Gigi Rowe:

And it's really been interesting to hear about stories where someone.

Gigi Rowe:

is not accepted at all.

Gigi Rowe:

And then over time how the points of views change mm-hmm and,

Gigi Rowe:

and what that takes and what, where those awakenings come from.

Gigi Rowe:

And I think some of it is it's time it's perspective.

Gigi Rowe:

It's the world changing the collective viewpoints, changing around yous.

Gigi Rowe:

Mm-hmm.

Gigi Rowe:

I think it gets back to that openness.

Gigi Rowe:

Even if someone is closed minded, there's something that has to

Gigi Rowe:

happen to, to make someone be like, hold on, maybe there's more here.

Gigi Rowe:

Maybe there's a way that I can be open to ideas that I was not open to before.

Gigi Rowe:

And I think that's something that really resonates with me when I hear just

Gigi Rowe:

people's stories and relationships, how relationships evolve, forgiveness.

Gigi Rowe:

How people are raised in different ways and people's ideologies come

Gigi Rowe:

from so many different sources.

Gigi Rowe:

And I think that, what does it take to change?

Gigi Rowe:

I love that question, cuz I think that

Gigi Rowe:

it's really fascinating when.

Gigi Rowe:

Like someone, when you really respect someone and you have time to hear

Gigi Rowe:

their story, and then they just organically come out and say, and

Gigi Rowe:

in that moment, I knew like in that moment I was not gonna be that person

Gigi Rowe:

or I was not gonna go down that path or I wanted something more for myself.

Gigi Rowe:

And when you get to hear those stories, without even prompting

Gigi Rowe:

someone, those are the most inspiring.

Gigi Rowe:

Really the most inspiring moments because that's, that's what it means to

Gigi Rowe:

be alive, to be human, to grow, to come into your own, to figure out sometimes

Gigi Rowe:

and try to figure out who we are.

Gigi Rowe:

We have to figure out what we're not.

Gigi Rowe:

And.

Gigi Rowe:

There's these moments that can be, they can be big or small.

Gigi Rowe:

They can, from an outsider's perspective, be like, oh, I get

Gigi Rowe:

why that was a change moment.

Gigi Rowe:

Or it can be like, really like that, that did it.

Gigi Rowe:

It doesn't have to be this monumental thing.

Gigi Rowe:

It doesn't have to happen on the world stage.

Gigi Rowe:

It doesn't have to be the stakes.

Gigi Rowe:

Don't have to be.

Gigi Rowe:

Necessarily, sometimes it takes outsiders perspectives for you to realize change

Gigi Rowe:

in yourself or for people who know you to be able to see and recognize change.

Gigi Rowe:

And for ourselves we're caught up in our own worlds, whether we wanna be or not.

Gigi Rowe:

And it's easy to be.

Gigi Rowe:

Yeah.

Gigi Rowe:

It's easy to get stuck as well.

Gigi Rowe:

And I was thinking about that recently that when you're stuck, the most

Gigi Rowe:

important thing is to take that next.

Gigi Rowe:

and oftentimes you don't know which way is forward.

Gigi Rowe:

Mm-hmm when you're real, when you're really stuck, like you

Gigi Rowe:

have no idea which way is forward.

Gigi Rowe:

So just take a step doesn't matter, backwards, sideways diagonally.

Gigi Rowe:

If you happen to get the step that's forward.

Gigi Rowe:

Awesome.

Gigi Rowe:

But take a step and then take that next step.

Gigi Rowe:

And that next step, because it's that energy, it's the it's that's

Gigi Rowe:

going to create some sort of change.

Gigi Rowe:

Perfect.

Gigi Rowe:

And when you.

Gigi Rowe:

That's what you need.

Aden Nepom:

This has been a fabulous conversation.

Aden Nepom:

Uh, I have so enjoyed meeting and bonding with you and hearing your stories

Aden Nepom:

and, and

Aden Nepom:

yeah.

Aden Nepom:

Thank you.

Gigi Rowe:

Thank you so much, Aden

Aden Nepom:

I remember when I got my first salaried position in a software company

Aden Nepom:

as a creative, I was like, this is it.

Aden Nepom:

This is my moment.

Aden Nepom:

I found my path that I'm on it.

Aden Nepom:

And three years later, I was no longer on that path.

Aden Nepom:

I remember when I was cast at Esther's Follies I was like, this is it.

Aden Nepom:

I finally figured it out.

Aden Nepom:

I finally made it.

Aden Nepom:

And then 11 months later that wasn't my path anymore.

Aden Nepom:

And when I think about my own life and these moments where I really

Aden Nepom:

felt like I, I fell into something that was absolutely correct.

Aden Nepom:

And then turned out to be.

Aden Nepom:

Simply a stepping stone as Gigi Rowe put it every time that that happened,

Aden Nepom:

there was a period of time that followed where I questioned everything.

Aden Nepom:

And I think what matters most is coming through these moments, whether they

Aden Nepom:

work out or not, if we're able to sort of take stock of ourselves to learn.

Aden Nepom:

Specific lessons from these experiences as we step along in our development,

Aden Nepom:

I think there's such a great opportunity there for us to become

Aden Nepom:

and step into fully who we really are.

Aden Nepom:

Then again, talking to some of my friends who are in their later chapters in life,

Aden Nepom:

I certainly have come to understand that that journey never really feels complete.

Aden Nepom:

And perhaps by the time you finally realize.

Aden Nepom:

This is who I am, you're already at the end.

Aden Nepom:

So I guess what I'm trying to say is enjoy the ride, take these moments as

Aden Nepom:

exciting steps along your journey and understand that your journey is yours.

Aden Nepom:

My journey is mine.

Aden Nepom:

Gigi Rowe's journey is hers, and that we're all in our.

Aden Nepom:

Solo journeys together.

Aden Nepom:

Um, maybe I should have said we're all alone together.

Aden Nepom:

, uh, the track that I refer to in this episode, uh, I super enjoyed

Aden Nepom:

hearing Gigi's perspective today.

Aden Nepom:

I think it's really exciting to understand the amount of.

Aden Nepom:

That goes into amazing creative endeavors that like so

Aden Nepom:

much when we're really,

Aden Nepom:

really, really enjoying what we're doing, it almost doesn't feel like work

Aden Nepom:

at all, which is, I think how you can end up spending these long, long hours.

Aden Nepom:

And then at the end of the day, be like, or three days later, be

Aden Nepom:

like, whoa, which has happened.

Aden Nepom:

I encourage you to, if whatever moment you are in, whether.

Aden Nepom:

Coming into an exciting opportunity or coming out of one to take a

Aden Nepom:

moment to take stock of where you are, breathe deeply into that and

Aden Nepom:

allow yourself to ask questions.

Aden Nepom:

What do you wanna learn from this moment?

Aden Nepom:

And what do you wanna take from this moment into the next, thank

Aden Nepom:

you for your support of the show.

Aden Nepom:

Thanks for listening to the changed podcast.

Aden Nepom:

If you have any additional questions, I'd be happy to forward them on to

Aden Nepom:

Gigi Rowe and I'll post the answers.

Aden Nepom:

Uh, later, if you have thoughts, reactions, stories to share, send

Aden Nepom:

them to podcast art of change.com.

Aden Nepom:

Thanks again for listening.

Aden Nepom:

I'm Aden Nepom, and I wish you the kind of experiences in life you're

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