Bo Roberts and a Message from Beyond

Season 3, episode 52

This episode I’m talking to model, actor, & film maker Bo Roberts

From the pages of GQ, Cosmo, and Esquire, to the silver screen (“300: Rise of an Empire”, “Mindy Project,” etc.), Indian-born, ISU-grad, former corrections officer/CERT Team member, filmmaker Bo Roberts elevated his photography hobby to a career as a filmmaker. The director/cinematographer’s debut (short) feature film (60min), “The Great Awakening” is a thriller with science-fiction elements. 

Here’s what you’ll find in this episode:

0:34 meet Bo Roberts

1:43 Bo Roberts Story

8:33 An interview of Bo Roberts, beginning with some discussion of recent film project, The Great Awakening. Our discussion includes how he came to choose that particular title and more.

17:09 Bo talks about moving from in front of the camera as a model and actor to behind the camera as a film maker.

26:23 Bo’s reflection on the meaning of change

28:49 The perspective shifting experience of working as a corrections officer

34:43 Grandpas, Ghosts, and making sense of the supernatural

41:07 Final thoughts from Bo

44:07 Final thoughts from the host

Watch Bo’s Works:

The Great Awakening on Tubi TV

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@MrBoRoberts on Facebook, on Twitter, on Instagram

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and then he said, you know, hang on.

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And he pulled over and he got out his own roadmap and he looked on

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roadmap and he said, you know what?

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I, I've just made sense of it.

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Thank you so much, but I'll take it from here.

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And the call ended.

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Actor turned self-taught filmmaker.

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With his interest in psychology, he has taken himself from the pages

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of GQ and Cosmo to appearances in films like 300 television shows like

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the Mindy project to making films.

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In fact, on the heels of 17 short films, he took the opportunity in

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2021 to create a feature length film called The Great Awakening, which is

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available now on multiple streaming platforms, including Tubi TV.

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My guest is Bo Roberts.

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I'm Aden Nepom.

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And this is the changed podcast.

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This is episode 52 of the changed podcast.

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Here's Bo's story.

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this story actually, um, is, you know, basically a

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way that I honor my grandfather.

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He was a traveling business man, his entire life.

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the moment I got involved in print modeling, Immediately.

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He didn't, you know, really ask too many specifics, but he kept telling me,

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you have to learn how to sell yourself.

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Like when you walk in the room, you are the product you have to make

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sense of who are you talking to?

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And how do you have to tailor your message to this potential

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customer that's, you know, going to, do the shoots or commercial or

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whatever, and he kept saying it and.

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When I began going to acting school, he said, I'm sure you're probably not

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gonna be the only guy in Los Angeles that has eight pack abs and a good jawline.

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So what, what's that special ingredient you bring to the table that's gonna

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separate you from the pack and everything.

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He said, You know, you, you have to go out and you have to make it happen.

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You have to find a way to make it happen because the way you think is going to go

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down, isn't how it happens themselves.

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It's a lot more convoluted than what people think.

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He wound up, uh, passing away, probably 3 to 4 years ago.

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And it was right at this time when I, fired my agents, managers and stuff like

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that because, you know, I was holding up my end of the bargain, working hard.

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I would have a voice coach for accent training or reduction and still

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going to the gym still going school.

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And, you know, just doing everything they had everything they had to work.

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And I was just fed up with, you know, kind of the lack of

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progress that I was making.

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So I'm like what, I'm just gonna, you know, cancel everything, start fresh.

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And it was right at the time that he passed away.

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And then shortly after that, that's when, uh, uh, came on.

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Going through COVID I, you know, shot like this short web series.

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Um, began polishing scripts that I I've been, uh, not really

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paying attention to and, you know, completing like I should have.

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And then, um, I began thinking, uh, about like, okay, this is that

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moment of potential change for me.

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Are you doing what you want to do in life?

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Are you sure are you positive?

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Cause it's, it's a long, hard road.

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And I said yes to everything that I am still in Los Angeles and

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I'm here to do what I want to do, which is have a creative career.

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And so that's what pushed me to saying, okay.

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Um, go all in, upgrade your lights, upgrade your camera.

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And, um, it, it was interesting.

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So, um, My grandfather being a traveling salesman, he would drive a car for

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like six years, six or seven years, and then he would park it over at my mom's.

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And then if needs it for whatever reason, it's, it's there to be driven.

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Because my pickup truck was on street parking and it got absolutely destroyed

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by somebody that crashed into it.

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I flew back to Indiana, got in the car, came back to California.

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So I had the car that he drove off the lot.

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And the same day that I, uh, actually put the full, amount

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down to purchase this camera.

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Called the red Kimodo But the day that, um, I went from being on the

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early list to actually paying it,

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I'm driving.

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And I started hearing his voice . And I'm driving home and

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somehow an old, conversation got saved when he called OnStar.

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Uh, and he was like, yeah, I'm just, I'm, I'm needing directions.

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And, um, I'm, driving down this road and it's like, I'm

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up in the Hills in this windy.

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I'm just trying to make sense of where to go.

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And, um, the OnStar was like, sure.

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Um, so you should be coming up here and you have to do this.

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And he's like, no, no, I'm not seeing it.

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And then he said, you know, hang on.

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And he pulled over and he got out his own roadmap and he looked on

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roadmap and he said, you know what?

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I, I've just made sense of it.

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Thank you so much, but I'll take it from here.

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And the call ended.

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When that happened, that's when I was like, you know what that says

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everything because I would try as hard as I can train, go to school,

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do the things I'm supposed to do.

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But at the end of the day, I would put my career and somebody else's

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hands that, you know, they're trying and they may really believe in.

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But they're not gonna care as much as I do about my own career.

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So that's when I'm like, I I'm, I'm done playing this waiting game and being

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polite and waiting on the phone to ring.

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I'm just gonna blast off and do my own thing.

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I'm gonna make it happen.

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So it was, you know, just so odd then the same day that, you know, I dropped

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thousands and thousands of dollars on a camera to advance my career.

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Literally some weird prerecorded conversation from my late

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grandfather, the one that's been telling me, make it happen.

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You have to make sense of how to sell yourself.

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So for me now I have the camera and I have lights and I direct my first feature,

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but when I'm not developing my next project, like, you know, if I'm writing.

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Maybe I take two weeks and I'll go work as a BP on somebody

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else's project or a camera off.

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And, you know, I have the gear, which all of a sudden, I'm

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not just, um, a camera guy.

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I'm a camera guy that has plenty of gear.

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All of a sudden that's that special ingredient separating me from the group.

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So everything he has been telling me for so long and I'm

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like, it finally made sense.

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Sadly this after he passed away, but he found a way back into the car

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that day to remind me one more time.

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So that would be, uh, one thing that definitely changed.

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Up next, my interview with Bo Roberts.

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In this conversation, we talk about his film, the great awakening.

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We also talk about what it's like to go from being in front of the camera

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as a model and an actor, to behind the camera as a director and filmmaker.

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We discuss, of course his thoughts on change and his own changing perspective

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as a result of previous work done, for example, as a corrections officer.

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Bet you didn't know that about Bo.

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That much and more coming up right

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Welcome to the changed podcast Bo.

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Thank you so much for having me.

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How are you?

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I'm doing really well.

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Thanks for asking how are you?

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Can't complain.

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I'm happy

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Good.

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Good.

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Good, good.

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Well, um, you, you went from modeling and acting to being behind the camera.

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That's a big change in and of itself, but before we get there, I thought maybe

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we could actually talk just a little bit about great awakening, which is a

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very, it's an interesting title choice.

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Can you talk just a little bit about.

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Just about that.

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The great awakening to me is a very applicable, movie to

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talk about on The Changed Podcast.

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Um, it's my version of a COVID movie.

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And the way I came up with the idea was, um, I got to this

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Everybody on litany of skills, large and small.

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And I was talking to my wife about, just blasting off shooting, a full

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length movie and she said, I love it.

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That's a great idea.

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Just don't do it about COVID because that's what every low budget,

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uh, movie is going to be for the next five So I'm okay, got it.

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So I'm gonna make a movie about COVID or, um, but, but not so on the nose

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cause to me, everybody's like, let's make a movie about getting the virus.

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Uh, the virus mutating you into a monster or lockdown being some mass

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enslavement of the human race.

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So on and so forth.

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To me I watched a documentary called nightmares in red white

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and blue, and it basically.

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Plots in chronological order.

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And you have like George A Romero, Wes Craven, all of these icons of horror

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movies explaining how they felt in society and how the movies replicated it.

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So for instance, uh, the fifties post World War II a lot of, uh,

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horror movies had an apocalyptic atomic bomb feeling to it.

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Uh, you jump up to sixties, summer of blood: drug experimentation.

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So a lot of movies were about the drug fueled, pot head kidnapping

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daddy's little angel and, uh, then you get to the seventies and that's

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when the summer of blood ended.

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Now we have Watergate and we have, um, Vietnam and the, the country overall

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just has kind of a bad taste in it mouth.

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So that's when like horror movies went ultra violent and enter in movies,

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like the Texas chainsaw massacre.

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So with that knowledge, I began thinking.

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Let's not get too obvious and on the nose with it.

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And, um, COVID is introduced.

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I'm hearing something about lockdown, but that's all over the world.

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Um, murder Hornets are on the news for some reason.

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And I don't remember what happens that, um, but then the, uh, CIA

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released over 10,000 documents, confirming interactions with UFOs.

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Um, we had a very turbulent election year.

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I'm like what's next?

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Cause I have no idea.

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So that's the structure of my COVID movie is playing on the emotion of uncertainty.

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So as you watch it, things happen the way they're meant to, but they, um,

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But there's something odd about it.

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Something you're not gonna expect to have happen.

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And, um, yeah, that was the, basically how that storyline really, uh, came to be.

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Yeah, so I watched it uh, prep for our conversation

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and I would not describe it as a specifically COVID movie, though.

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It is specifically placed within that time period all of that it's definitely

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a very specifically psychological horror or psychological thriller it's placed in.

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I don't wanna give it like everything away, but like you, you really see,

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uh, one character's particular journey.

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Um, and that question, that dangly dangling of what is reality now I think,

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um, sort of what I took away from it.

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How did you land on Great Awakening as the title?

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I have heard the term great awakening refer to many things, specifically

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in the past couple of years, uh, this idea that people, uh, like, I, I wanna

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say a lot folks who followed, Q like, I feel like I heard a lot of those

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folks using the term great awakening, uh, talking about like, Understanding

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that the world, isn't what it seems.

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And that idea I've also heard the term recently for folks who

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are like, we're building a new way of being with each other.

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This is about waking up to, um, being inclusive and all like I've I feel like

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I hear great awakening awake, woke.

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feel like I hear these terms thrown about.

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To mean different things strongly.

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And then also equally weaponized against the other group who would

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be using the in a different way.

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do you say to that?

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For me, um, there is a very on the nose response that I have for, you

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know, what does a great awakening mean?

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in the movie you have this moment that really symbolizes so much of...There's

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a lot of details and notes in the script that the audience, I know they're just not

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going to get, cuz it's like super layered.

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Uh, but yeah.

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So in the movie you have this moment of the lead character, uh, going

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through a tunnel of light and you see the light at end of the tunnel.

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And I put that in there because I, you know, have the

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thought, what does that mean?

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Two different people, nature and nurture, um, is heavily involved in this.

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Um, but it means something different.

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So if you are religious, you think it's an interaction with God going to heaven.

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So on and so forth.

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If you're, um, agnostic, uh, and, or, you know, a spiritual, it

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would be astral projection out of body experience, or if you're, uh,

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atheist, uh, not believing in God.

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Uh, that's where, uh, I, you know, just got pretty, not generic, but.

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Um, generalized it with the science community and, and, and science.

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They say that when you have a near death experience, blood

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begins draining from your brain.

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Um, and it's similar to running a car engine without enough oil in it.

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It runs it hard and ragged.

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And this action of your brain doing that, thrills your mind into an

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altered state of consciousness.

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And now people who have come back from that, they've stated, you know,

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they've seen this bright light felt like they were flying through a tunnel.

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So for me, I'm like atheist agnostic, spiritual and religious people are

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all experiencing the exact same thing, but they have an entirely

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different opinion of what it is.

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So to me, that's why the great awakening, it can mean so many things, which

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is why my, um, uh, my ending, which is, uh, you know, I'm desperately

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trying to keep that ending hidden until people actually watch it.

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But I left it open, ended enough, but, uh, there are a couple

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details to kinda, you hammer down the point of kinda what it was.

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So yeah.

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I'm also not gonna give away the ending, but I

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really appreciated the ending.

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I felt like the, the journey of the story took me on.

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I was like, okay, where is this going to go?

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And then I thought the ending really was , a clever cap.

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I'll just say that.

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So I'll cause I, I also don't wanna give it away.

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I think if, I think if folks wanna, if, if, think if listeners

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wanna go watch it, they should watch it all the way to the end.

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It's an ending that I think is worth, worth getting there for, um, for sure.

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Quite, quite proud of it.

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I was wanting to cap it enough, but leave room for interpretation.

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Watch it, and then I want viewers please.

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If you're watching, watch it and then message me and tell me what you think

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it means and what it means to you

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let's talk about what it's like to go from being in front of the

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camera, to being behind the camera.

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What's that like?

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Going from in front of the camera to behind the camera, to

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me was a very enjoyable experience.

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Um, from the moment I began modeling down in, uh, south beach, Miami that

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like that same month I moved there.

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Um, I received a photography camera for my birthday and I immediately

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got used to landscape photography.

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And then once I went up to, uh, Manhattan and I lived there for about

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two, two and a half years, but I went to Europe for a fashion week and

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wound up thing there for three months.

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And during that time I'm being exposed to a lot of various types of people.

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So doing street photography, random people, doing random things.

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, I fell in love with it.

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So I began doing.

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Um, all the while modeling and going to acting school.

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And so like modeling, I knew that was the means to an end.

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Um, I just kind of fell into it cause you know, I came from being a

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diesel mechanic and a law enforcement and a cage fighter, and now I'm

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putting on face cream every day.

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So like, I'm like,

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That is quite a list.

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yeah, I'm like, I'll take it and run with it.

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But you know, I'm like, yeah.

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Um, but we don't stay young forever tragicially

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Do you think having,

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do you think having experience in front of the camera gives you, um,

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helpful insight when you're stepping into a writer role or a director role?

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100%.

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Um, working on camera has definitely helped me as a director, uh, where,

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you know, like, I, I know how it is to, you know, really work on a script.

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You're pretty intimate with the, the creators of it.

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And everybody's on the same page and you, uh, walk on set and execute,

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but then I've also been the actor that you're just doing a job.

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So, you know, you booked it, they email sides to you.

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You have one day to get off book, show up and go for it.

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So for me as a director, my ability to communicate with actors, I

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feel like it's greatly improved.

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Uh, Simply because like, I've been that person to where like they walk

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in and they don't know anybody.

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Even if you're a super seasoned veteran actor, if you walk on set

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and you don't know anybody, you know, it's, it's not the best feeling.

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Um, so for me to break the ice with certain people, um, and just kind of warm

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up, but then also how to convey what I, you know, what changes need to be made.

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So that, that was a.

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Yeah, a definite plus going from, in front of the camera to behind it.

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Do you a strong desire to continue doing work

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in front of the camera all?

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Or are you done with that?

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Is that chapter closed?

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And now it's only behind the camera work.

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Um, the more, the more time I spend behind the

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camera, the more I enjoy it.

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And so my, um, passion for being on camera, um, Yeah, it's, it's interesting.

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I'm, I'm never going to shut that door.

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Uh, and I, I do have two movies that I've come up with.

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So I have about 15 feature film scripts that I, I written, and two

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of them specifically are, are with me and mind to be that lead character.

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So one of I need to hurry up and find an investor, cuz I'm starting to age

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out of that role but it is what it is

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I didn't think that was a thing for men.

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I thought that was just women that age out.

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Well, um, it's yeah, it's the industry is brutal towards

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women and how early they can age out.

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And for men, you know, having salt and pepper, you know,

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it's oh, you're distinguished.

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And I'm like, well, it's kinda a double standard, but whatever,

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time, but it just seems to be true.

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it, it, it definitely is.

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So, uh, for me though, aging out of that one role, it's something that I'm like,

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I would to explain the off camera to you.

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Okay, well, we'll talk, we'll just talk after I quit recording,

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it'll just, it'll be our secret.

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I promise tell,

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mums the

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you know, the interviewee interviewer confidentiality

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Yeah.

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uh, famous confidentiality exchange.

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Um, well, you know, it.

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When I think about that shift, one of the things that crosses my mind is like to go

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from independent film to big film house.

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That's another leap to take.

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that something that you aspire to do to get into directing large budget projects

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that you did not think up yourself?

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Uh, yes.

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Uh, and specifically directing somebody else's projects that that is something,

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uh, I am very much looking forward to because as a writer and creator,

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um, uh, I'm very confident with my abilities, uh, to create, but to me, it.

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It seems fun, you know, it's um, like there have been times that somebody,

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um, would send me a short film script and I would read it and my terms and

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conditions on if I wanna direct it, I have a, you know, a few hard lines of

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stuff I don't wanna be attached to.

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But then more importantly, it's like, as I'm reading the script, am

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I watching the movie play in my head?

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Because if it's written in such a way that I'm like, oh, I'm, I'm.

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Envisioning I'm already seeing it happen, then I know exactly what to do with it.

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And then once I have that, then I can do the fun stuff and get the nuance,

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creative notes and stuff like that.

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Um, as far as scaling up, um, Hell.

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Yeah.

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um, yeah, I, I, uh,

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I shot the great awakening.

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Um, initially I, you know, I came out and outright light about the, the budget.

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Um, I was trying to sound big budget, so I said it had $2,500,

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but in reality it was only $1,600.

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I had to shoot the movie.

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And on set, it was me and one other crew member, uh, for three weeks.

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So,

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Wow.

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I, I would

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love to get to the point where, you know, like maybe, you know, I have a

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couple people helping out, so yeah.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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That's wild.

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I would not have guessed that it was that low of a budget, uh, it

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so that, so congrats taking it from that low budget into a place where

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people can watch it so readily.

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That's really great.

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Uh, I, my husband and I are both performers, but I do

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improv and then I do this.

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He actually does acting work and recently was part of a independent

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film, feature length, independent film.

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And I was an extra on set one day.

Aden Nepom:

Yeah, it, the whole thing is mystifying to me, the way independent film works,

Aden Nepom:

you know, everyone thinks about movies and film as this extremely, you know, you

Aden Nepom:

hear these numbers on the news, right?

Aden Nepom:

Like billions of dollars to create a Marvel movie and then like

Aden Nepom:

million dollar contract disputes.

Aden Nepom:

And that's so far from actually the majority of movies.

Aden Nepom:

Being made the majority of films, the stories that are being put out

Aden Nepom:

there are from independent artists and it's hard to find access to them.

Aden Nepom:

So I I'm really excited for you that your film is in a place where

Aden Nepom:

people can actually watch it.

Bo Roberts:

Thank you.

Bo Roberts:

You know, trying to thrive in the, in the filmmaking world, um, it's always

Bo Roberts:

tough, you know, it's very, um, has a kill or be killed mentality at times to it.

Bo Roberts:

Um, but one thing I have noticed is that technology is really helping

Bo Roberts:

indie film really succeed to where all of a sudden for me, yeah, for

Bo Roberts:

$1,600, I have a red camera that's on the Netflix approval list, which

Bo Roberts:

means technically if Netflix likes the movie enough, they can pick it up.

Bo Roberts:

Cuz they have a pretty short list that has maybe 10 cameras.

Bo Roberts:

And if your camera's not on that list, Netflix won't even touch.

Bo Roberts:

So for me, I'm just one guy.

Bo Roberts:

I have one crew member.

Bo Roberts:

Um, but you know, we're shooting a, a feature film

Bo Roberts:

so all of a sudden you don't have to be in Los Angeles, Los Angeles

Bo Roberts:

to have a filmmaking career.

Bo Roberts:

And, um, oddly enough, uh, Kentucky as.

Bo Roberts:

Two months ago, uh, they now have the highest tax incentive credit

Bo Roberts:

for filming in the entire country.

Bo Roberts:

So there, there,

Aden Nepom:

cool.

Bo Roberts:

so there is a shift to where, you know, it's de a very

Bo Roberts:

definite push to where you don't have to be at mega tent pole Paramount,

Bo Roberts:

uh, type of company and Hollywood, California to have a filmmaking career.

Bo Roberts:

So I think that's awesome.

Aden Nepom:

so cool.

Aden Nepom:

That's a massive change.

Aden Nepom:

Well, speaking of change, uh, when you hear the word change and you think

Aden Nepom:

about your personal relationship with that word, what comes up for you?

Aden Nepom:

Like, is change something you think about a lot or is it easy for you to shift?

Aden Nepom:

Is change challenging?

Aden Nepom:

What are your about that word?

Bo Roberts:

yeah, my, my thoughts on change is that it's a necessity in life.

Bo Roberts:

Um, tech technology, all of a sudden came and there is.

Bo Roberts:

A lot of people that were adults in life, just having to adapt

Bo Roberts:

and change with the times and just stay up to date on everything.

Bo Roberts:

I can already see how a lot of people are struggling if they

Bo Roberts:

don't change with the times.

Aden Nepom:

mm-hmm yeah, that's a great observation.

Aden Nepom:

Something I've been really intrigued with lately is, how do, do people

Aden Nepom:

change their minds about something they believe really strongly in?

Aden Nepom:

So, um, you know, I know people who have.

Aden Nepom:

Abandoned their religious upbringing or likewise have converted to a

Aden Nepom:

particular religion after being raised secular or have shifted

Aden Nepom:

to a different political party.

Aden Nepom:

And I I'm totally intrigued by that.

Aden Nepom:

Like how does that happen?

Aden Nepom:

How do you shift your beliefs?

Aden Nepom:

And I guess I'm curious, have you ever changed your mind

Aden Nepom:

about something really big?

Bo Roberts:

Changed my mind on a large scale, not really the core

Bo Roberts:

values and morals that I've had ever since, you know, I was in sixth grade.

Bo Roberts:

Um, it holds true with me today.

Bo Roberts:

Um, so yeah, I haven't changed that.

Bo Roberts:

But with that being said, it used to always, it irritate me, um, you know, in

Bo Roberts:

high, in high school and a couple years after go back and you read that your

Bo Roberts:

book and everyone's like, you're cool.

Bo Roberts:

Never change.

Bo Roberts:

I'm like, no, I wanna change.

Bo Roberts:

Like that's, to me, that's kind of the point in life.

Bo Roberts:

Just explore and stuff.

Bo Roberts:

Um, but, but as far as, um, something that I really kind of

Bo Roberts:

changed my perspective on, I would.

Bo Roberts:

Working in law enforcement.

Bo Roberts:

It's not that it changed my opinion, but it enlightened me a

Bo Roberts:

bit more, which, you know, I think the more information you have.

Bo Roberts:

the more likely you are to evolve your way of thinking in one way or another.

Bo Roberts:

So for instance, um, I'm actually scarred for life here because I, a

Bo Roberts:

guy came in, um, and that I, I worked in corrections in the county jail.

Bo Roberts:

So anybody that's on any substances, I have to suit up and go play with him.

Bo Roberts:

So this guy came in and he was only drunk.

Bo Roberts:

Nothing else in the system.

Bo Roberts:

Um, but because of how the fight went down, uh, the teeth on the, the handcuffs

Bo Roberts:

ripped it across and, uh, gashed me open.

Bo Roberts:

And, you know, that's a reminder that I, I used to have to get physical

Bo Roberts:

and hands on with somebody about once per night, um, Friday and

Bo Roberts:

Saturday, two to three times a night.

Bo Roberts:

But everybody that walked through the door, if they only

Bo Roberts:

had marijuana in their system.

Bo Roberts:

They're chill.

Bo Roberts:

They're.

Bo Roberts:

You got me, uh, are we doing prints?

Bo Roberts:

Are we ticking photos now?

Bo Roberts:

Can I have a sandwich?

Bo Roberts:

You know, like that is so for, for me, You know, growing up in the

Bo Roberts:

Midwest is a very conservative mindset and I'm like, why is alcohol legal?

Bo Roberts:

And I'm constantly fighting people, but anybody that comes in with

Bo Roberts:

weed on 'em, they're like the most docile and chilled people.

Bo Roberts:

So that began really kinda, um, you know, that was one way that it enlightened me.

Bo Roberts:

And then there was a, a second time.

Bo Roberts:

This guy got called down.

Bo Roberts:

He was being, uh, released finally.

Bo Roberts:

And I was walking him out and he, you know, was very and emotional

Bo Roberts:

cause he was about to meet his daughter for the first time.

Bo Roberts:

Cuz he had spent probably about six months being locked up.

Bo Roberts:

He was like, well, Roberts, you know, might see, might see you on the

Bo Roberts:

street, but I'm done with this stuff.

Bo Roberts:

I have daughter to look after now.

Bo Roberts:

So take care of yourself.

Bo Roberts:

So, you know, we shook hands and off he went.

Bo Roberts:

And it was about maybe five months later, I looked up and here he

Bo Roberts:

comes walking in the front door and I'm like, dude, what happened?

Bo Roberts:

Like you said, you're gonna be on the straight narrow and, um, all of the stuff.

Bo Roberts:

And you have a daughter, like, why are you back in here?

Bo Roberts:

He's like, Robert's it's I tried.

Bo Roberts:

Um, but my, my wife has a newborn baby girl and a grown

Bo Roberts:

man that she has to feed now.

Bo Roberts:

because, I was young and dumb, got involved with wrong people

Bo Roberts:

and got a felony when I was 18 years old, nobody's gonna hire me.

Bo Roberts:

He said, I gave myself three days to relax once I got out after that

Bo Roberts:

everywhere, uh, I could possibly put in a job application, being a janitor,

Bo Roberts:

being garbage man, uh, being a librarian, he said, I, I didn't care what it was.

Bo Roberts:

I needed employment.

Bo Roberts:

Nobody's gonna hire me.

Bo Roberts:

So I was forced to go back into this lifestyle to try and make ends meet.

Bo Roberts:

And hearing that story.

Bo Roberts:

And so that mixed with people coming in and after smoking

Bo Roberts:

marijuana, like I'm 21 years old.

Bo Roberts:

So I'm still a very young man being exposed to this

Bo Roberts:

very blunt raw type of life.

Bo Roberts:

So hearing him say that I'm like, yeah, what do you do with.

Bo Roberts:

So, you know, that really, you know, back to it that didn't change my mind

Bo Roberts:

in a way, but it, it hit me like a ton of bricks when he really explained it,

Bo Roberts:

you know, as I'm like patting him down.

Bo Roberts:

And, um, yeah, it gave me a lot of information that helped

Bo Roberts:

further kinda the mentality.

Bo Roberts:

I have.

Aden Nepom:

Thank you for those examples.

Aden Nepom:

I think that, um, To me, the idea that your thinking was expanded is

Aden Nepom:

pretty profound in and of itself.

Aden Nepom:

It really, it really shows how another person's experience can

Aden Nepom:

actually really overlap one's life.

Aden Nepom:

You know, the, we don't in fact exist in little individual bubbles.

Aden Nepom:

We, our lives inter intersect other people's lives all the time.

Aden Nepom:

So that's, I, I think those are really interesting stories.

Aden Nepom:

Before you worked there, you said you had a pretty conservative upbringing.

Aden Nepom:

What did you think about people who end up in jail with a drug charge

Aden Nepom:

specifically like a, a marijuana charge?

Aden Nepom:

Did you make assumptions about those people or no?

Bo Roberts:

Um, yes and no, uh, for, for me my mentality, which my, my parents

Bo Roberts:

are, I think complete rock stars.

Bo Roberts:

They're um, you know, they don't have much tolerance for, um, people who are lazy.

Bo Roberts:

Um, those are probably people that they don't get on well with, but as

Bo Roberts:

far as, um, you know, race, gender, um, sexual identity, what have you like?

Bo Roberts:

They're, they're great.

Bo Roberts:

So for me, like I went into law enforcement with the understanding

Bo Roberts:

that my job is to keep the peace uh, that's just all I.

Bo Roberts:

Um, I'm not the judge jury.

Bo Roberts:

Definitely not the executioner.

Bo Roberts:

So I'm like, you know, I'm just gonna contract with these

Bo Roberts:

people and just see what it is.

Bo Roberts:

Cause yeah, like I've dealt with, you know, that guy who took so much

Bo Roberts:

pride in now he's a father and he wants to be on the straight narrow,

Bo Roberts:

but he was caught up on drug charges.

Bo Roberts:

But then I dealt with, you know, Jackass that keeps running his mouth

Bo Roberts:

and it's being very disrespectful and, uh, you know, him, I'm like,

Bo Roberts:

yeah, you're, you're just a punk.

Bo Roberts:

So, you know, it's like, okay, you're a drug dealer, you're a drug dealer.

Bo Roberts:

But to very, I would say you're a good guy.

Bo Roberts:

That's kind of doing, you know, bad or wrong.

Aden Nepom:

There are the stories that we want to tell that we, that come to

Aden Nepom:

mind and then there are the stories that They're like just part of our makeup.

Aden Nepom:

We're like, well that here, let me give you an example and we tell those stories.

Aden Nepom:

So I think it's cool to get both.

Bo Roberts:

Sure.

Bo Roberts:

Um, yeah, so my story about change,

Bo Roberts:

you know, just so odd then the same day that, you know, I dropped

Bo Roberts:

thousands and thousands of dollars on a camera to advance my career.

Bo Roberts:

Literally some weird prerecorded conversation from my late grandfather,

Bo Roberts:

So everything he has been telling me for so long and I'm

Bo Roberts:

like, it finally made sense.

Bo Roberts:

Sadly this after he passed away, but he found a way back into the car

Bo Roberts:

that day to remind me one more time.

Aden Nepom:

I can mean I can just picture you in that car, driving, and then that

Aden Nepom:

initially the, like what's happening when you hear that voice and then the, like,

Aden Nepom:

he ends up following his own roadmap and that's exactly what you're doing.

Aden Nepom:

That's really incredible.

Aden Nepom:

I mean, do you believe in ghosts?

Bo Roberts:

Um, yes and no, like, it is very interesting to where,

Bo Roberts:

uh, I think that there is a residual energy or, um, Yeah, that that's

Bo Roberts:

something to where, you know, I've had several, you know, interactions and

Bo Roberts:

a couple of them had funny witnesses.

Bo Roberts:

Um, so it's something that I can't really make sense of.

Bo Roberts:

Uh, but yeah, there was stuff happening to where like, uh, like

Bo Roberts:

for instance, um, dating a girl in Indiana, we were both in my basement.

Bo Roberts:

She had 10 of her friends, whether they were about to throw a surprise

Bo Roberts:

birthday party for, um, their friend that was coming over for a movie.

Bo Roberts:

And, um, Erin was leaning on the, uh, downstairs closet door and talking and

Bo Roberts:

she was mid, so like 10 people had, uh, eyes on her, all of a sudden something

Bo Roberts:

inside the closet, hit the door so hard.

Bo Roberts:

Her entire body came up and went back.

Bo Roberts:

Yeah.

Bo Roberts:

And then we opened the, we opened the closet.

Bo Roberts:

The only thing tall enough to even tip over was a broom that was six feet away

Bo Roberts:

leaning on the farthest side of the wall.

Bo Roberts:

And then you had like a couple two by two moving boxes, nothing in there

Bo Roberts:

had the ability to fall over much less generate that, that type of force to

Bo Roberts:

take a human being and , push them off.

Bo Roberts:

So, you know, like I've had stuff like that happen.

Bo Roberts:

I'm like, I don't know what to do with that.

Bo Roberts:

Um,

Aden Nepom:

Whoa.

Bo Roberts:

yeah.

Aden Nepom:

Whoa.

Aden Nepom:

That's wild.

Aden Nepom:

Uh, yeah.

Aden Nepom:

Uh, here's a fun, here's a fun fact about me is, uh, everywhere I go, where somebody

Aden Nepom:

has had a supernatural experience.

Aden Nepom:

When I show up those experiences stop happening, they just stop

Aden Nepom:

happening by the nature of me being.

Bo Roberts:

Oh, so are you,

Aden Nepom:

so I don't know.

Aden Nepom:

I hope this doesn't ruin it for you.

Aden Nepom:

mean, I'm not physically you'll still get these

Bo Roberts:

Yeah.

Bo Roberts:

Cause to me like I'm yeah, like I'm into it cuz you know, some people

Bo Roberts:

you and you don't know why you just wanna hug and kiss them other.

Bo Roberts:

You don't know why you just wanna smack them in the mouth.

Bo Roberts:

Within five seconds, there's like, yeah, there's something going on here.

Bo Roberts:

Um, for me it's the same way with these type of experiences to where,

Bo Roberts:

like, if I'm sitting here and all of a sudden, if you know, my hair

Bo Roberts:

stands up and if I go on high alert, defense mode, I'm like, there's some,

Bo Roberts:

something that just came around.

Bo Roberts:

That's, you know, putting my body into that.

Bo Roberts:

But like, I don't know.

Bo Roberts:

I'm, I'm playing Xbox with my buddies.

Bo Roberts:

My dog's passed out next to me.

Bo Roberts:

I'm not like, you know, playing a Oija board by candlelight, you know,

Bo Roberts:

like scaring myself or anything.

Bo Roberts:

Um, so when that, when that happens, um, I've learned that you have to be very

Bo Roberts:

direct and say that you're not welcome.

Bo Roberts:

I want you to leave, uh, immediately and say it with, you

Bo Roberts:

know, some gumption about it.

Bo Roberts:

But other times I'm like, yeah, I, I, I kind of feel like I'm being watched.

Bo Roberts:

But I'm like, yeah, but I'm not really on edge, so it's all good.

Aden Nepom:

Whoa, Bo model actor, filmmaker, psychic medium.

Aden Nepom:

I'm just throwing it out there.

Bo Roberts:

might end up having a, a new show on A&E this Fall.

Bo Roberts:

You never know.

Aden Nepom:

yeah.

Aden Nepom:

What do you think your, what do you think your grandfather would

Aden Nepom:

have to say to you now that you are bringing that special sauce?

Aden Nepom:

You're you're following your own roadmap.

Aden Nepom:

What do he would have to offer you now?

Aden Nepom:

Cuz based on what you've told me, I'm, I'm guessing he'd

Aden Nepom:

still wanna impart some wisdom.

Bo Roberts:

Wow.

Bo Roberts:

That's a really fantastic question.

Bo Roberts:

Um, not something I've honestly, really thought of just cause you

Bo Roberts:

know, that was that one thing.

Bo Roberts:

He was wanting me to get through my skull.

Bo Roberts:

Um, and he had to do it postmortem.

Bo Roberts:

So he, he made sure, you know, I, I got that, but what else he

Bo Roberts:

would want, um, I don't know.

Bo Roberts:

Um, when he was in advanced age, he moved from Tennessee up to Indiana

Bo Roberts:

and whenever I would see him, uh, you know, he, uh, that's when he was making

Bo Roberts:

comments about, you know, calling people that you love and care about and, um,

Bo Roberts:

just spending time with people and.

Bo Roberts:

Fortunately, that's something that, you know, the moment I moved away, I, I very

Bo Roberts:

immediately felt that pull from like, okay, I'm off making sense of life and

Bo Roberts:

kind of what I'm into and, you know, just kind of where I'm gonna settle,

Bo Roberts:

but all the while it's like friends and family or back home in Indiana.

Bo Roberts:

So, um, for me, like calling loved ones, that's something that I do frequently.

Aden Nepom:

Well, I really appreciate you sharing your stories with me today.

Aden Nepom:

It's fun talking with you.

Aden Nepom:

there any final thoughts you would love listeners to take away from

Aden Nepom:

our conversation about change, about pursuing your passions, following

Aden Nepom:

your own roadmap or anything else?

Bo Roberts:

Um, well, as far as following your own roadmap, everybody

Bo Roberts:

that I've seen start something.

Bo Roberts:

Um, my, my mom, uh, she owns a truck driving company, and I remember when

Bo Roberts:

she first started it, she was pulling 14 hours a day and I'd be in the office

Bo Roberts:

with her and she was going over the.

Bo Roberts:

Just line by line day in and day out.

Bo Roberts:

And she did that for years.

Bo Roberts:

Um, and for me, you know, I'd shot 15 short films working on lighting camera

Bo Roberts:

movements, uh, really building my knowledge and I did 15, uh, short films

Bo Roberts:

where I'm the only crew member on set.

Bo Roberts:

Like, um, the way I structured it is I would tell talent.

Bo Roberts:

the, uh, the boom mic.

Bo Roberts:

So you're gonna do your action.

Bo Roberts:

You're gonna walk over here and then you have to get under the mic before

Bo Roberts:

you say you're lying because we don't have somebody following you.

Bo Roberts:

So like I'm talking about, I was down and dirty.

Bo Roberts:

Let's just.

Bo Roberts:

Do it.

Bo Roberts:

So, um, and I, I have tons of, um, examples so I can work with, but

Bo Roberts:

essentially just start, just do it.

Bo Roberts:

And you know, if you're serious about it, if you're legitimate in what

Bo Roberts:

you want to do, you will be amazed.

Bo Roberts:

And just two years, when you look back just for me, it happened for

Bo Roberts:

in one year I shot five short films and I could see the jump in quality.

Bo Roberts:

And how I would cut things together.

Bo Roberts:

Coloring light.

Bo Roberts:

Everything just got better immensely.

Bo Roberts:

And for my mom, it was a hard five years, but after 10 years, you know, that's when,

Bo Roberts:

okay, the company's established and it's grown and she's a lot more hands off and

Bo Roberts:

she's kind of enjoying, uh, somewhat of a retirement instead of having to be in the

Bo Roberts:

office, slugging away for 14 hours a day.

Bo Roberts:

So just be honest with that hard work, get in and.

Bo Roberts:

Make it happen.

Aden Nepom:

Great.

Aden Nepom:

Great words of wisdom.

Aden Nepom:

Thank you so much.

Aden Nepom:

Bo Roberts I'll have links, of course, in the show notes for anyone to find,

Aden Nepom:

uh, the great awakening, uh, to find out more about you and, um, I don't know.

Aden Nepom:

Maybe we'll even put a link if somebody wants to get a really

Aden Nepom:

expensive filmmaking camera.

Aden Nepom:

Uh, I'm not making We'll see.

Aden Nepom:

Um, thank you so much for your time today.

Aden Nepom:

It's been a pleasure

Bo Roberts:

Thank you.

Bo Roberts:

Likewise.

Aden Nepom:

And now just a few closing thoughts from the host.

Aden Nepom:

I love this takeaway message of follow your own roadmap and just start.

Aden Nepom:

It's really, really true.

Aden Nepom:

In my experience, the only way to move forward is to start walking, and

Aden Nepom:

oftentimes, despite that being true, despite us each having our own experiences

Aden Nepom:

that demonstrate the truth of that sentiment, we have a tendency to wait.

Aden Nepom:

With this like anticipation that the walking will happen

Aden Nepom:

when the walking is ready.

Aden Nepom:

But the truth is there's never a great time to do the things

Aden Nepom:

that you really wanna do.

Aden Nepom:

There's almost never a full alignment of stars when you take your first steps,

Aden Nepom:

but When you take those first steps, if that's the path that really is yours,

Aden Nepom:

the universe will begin to open up door, after door after door, along your path,

Aden Nepom:

making it easier for you to traverse it.

Aden Nepom:

So I love it.

Aden Nepom:

Start.

Aden Nepom:

Why not?

Aden Nepom:

What do you have to lose?

Aden Nepom:

It's just one step.

Aden Nepom:

Thank you so much for supporting the changed podcast.

Aden Nepom:

I'm Aden Nepom and I wish you the kind of experiences in life you're

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